If the name Quetzalcoatl is taken, you can always call it Tezcatlipoca. [In Aztec mythology, Tezcatlipoca (the smoking mirror) was the cunning devil-god who, by cheating, defeated and sent into exile the great and ancient Toltec god, Quetzalcoatl (the plumed serpent).]
Mauro, there are some very nice things happening in this design. A few comments:
The g might be a little weak, but it is hard to tell without seeing it in the middle of a word. Certainly, it looks weak at the beginning of a word.
The j is too heavy.
As others have noted, the e is probably too ornate. More to the point, the flourish is actually out-of-style with the rest of the letters, which are very direct and gestural.
The t may be a problem because it is so similar to the l. Try making it shorter? It looks good in the tz ligature, but not so good next to the l at the end of Quetzalcoatl.
Coincido bastante con los primeros comentarios de Cristian, sobretodo en lo de la "e", la "b" y la "d". tambien queria agregar que me parece muy buena la solucion "ch" supongo que eso no sera ligadura sino un caracter predefinido, me equivoco? una cosita mas, porque estoy viendo los puntos de la "i" de la "j", como ten
Oh, I mistook your g for a q when I first looked at the new samples (I wasn't reading the words, just scanning for letters: I know Wyoming isn't spelled with a q). So, that's a problem: your g and q are much too similar.
The weight of the j is very much improved over the first sample you sent last month.
The shortened t is definitely an improvement. Can we see a sample in which it appears next to l, e.g. 'Quetzalcoatl'?
I would make the top part of the t even just a little bit shorter. Not too much, but just enough to really distinguish it from the ascender of the l very clearly.
The g is a real problem. I don't think you can make that left side so weak: not along the whole length at least. Try keeping the narrowing on the lower right, but strengthen the stroke again as it comes through the lower left. The transition you probably need is similar to what you have in the c. Also, you might try a version with a hook descender, but without the complete loop.
By the way, the recent change to the y is excellent: exactly what I would have recommended.
23 Jan 2003 — 6:19pm
Mauro
i can express my comments in spanish better and i think that you would understand them better to.
Me gusta mucho, creo que la "e" se ve muy contaminada con el gesto terminal pero me gusta. En cuanto a la g, yo dejaria el ojo de abajo abierto.
Me gustan mucho tu "f", la ligadura "st" y "tz" y la "j".
tambien encuentro que la "b" y la "d" se ven contra la corriente de tu tipografia, fijate en como se ve la "d" entre las dos "a".
el terminal de abajo de la "s" lo har'ia mas extenso.
me gusta mucho tu sitio web
nos vemos
CG (*L*)
23 Jan 2003 — 7:00pm
I agree that the 'e' is decorated too much. The 'e' would look better if it were a bit simpler, like the 'c' but with the stroke extended to close it.
23 Jan 2003 — 7:16pm
J'aime bien le "e"!
Paul
23 Jan 2003 — 8:14pm
Hola Mauro, bienvenido a los foros de Typophile!
La verdad es que comparto las observaciones de Cristian, aunque creo que la f y la e se alejan de las constantes formales presentes en la mayor
23 Jan 2003 — 8:38pm
24 Jan 2003 — 1:57pm
The name should definitely be Quetzalcoatl
24 Jan 2003 — 11:08pm
and this thread completly pass my english only brain
25 Jan 2003 — 10:16am
If the name Quetzalcoatl is taken, you can always call
it Tezcatlipoca.
[In Aztec mythology, Tezcatlipoca (the smoking mirror)
was the cunning devil-god who, by cheating, defeated
and sent into exile the great and ancient Toltec god,
Quetzalcoatl (the plumed serpent).]
25 Jan 2003 — 11:18am
You're making me want to dig up my D&D "Dieties and Demigods"...
hhp
25 Jan 2003 — 1:04pm
Mauro, there are some very nice things happening in this design. A few comments:
The g might be a little weak, but it is hard to tell without seeing it in the middle of a word. Certainly, it looks weak at the beginning of a word.
The j is too heavy.
As others have noted, the e is probably too ornate. More to the point, the flourish is actually out-of-style with the rest of the letters, which are very direct and gestural.
The t may be a problem because it is so similar to the l. Try making it shorter? It looks good in the tz ligature, but not so good next to the l at the end of Quetzalcoatl.
30 Jan 2003 — 9:17am
Thanks for its interesting commentaries.
When it has changes and more developed
30 Jan 2003 — 2:53pm
Mauro:
Coincido bastante con los primeros comentarios de Cristian, sobretodo en lo de la "e", la "b" y la "d".
tambien queria agregar que me parece muy buena la solucion "ch" supongo que eso no sera ligadura sino un caracter predefinido, me equivoco?
una cosita mas, porque estoy viendo los puntos de la "i" de la "j", como ten
2 Feb 2003 — 2:40pm
Hello,
Thanks to all for its last commentaries about "adas
3 Feb 2003 — 11:46am
Can you show us a sample including the letters g and j? Thanks.
3 Feb 2003 — 4:29pm
Thanks for your interest, John.
I wait for your sincere opinion.
Mauro.
3 Feb 2003 — 6:14pm
Please see the changes between three examples in the letters j, g, k, y, u, f.
Thanks,
Mauro.
3 Feb 2003 — 7:25pm
Oh, I mistook your g for a q when I first looked at the new samples (I wasn't reading the words, just scanning for letters: I know Wyoming isn't spelled with a q). So, that's a problem: your g and q are much too similar.
The weight of the j is very much improved over the first sample you sent last month.
The shortened t is definitely an improvement. Can we see a sample in which it appears next to l, e.g. 'Quetzalcoatl'?
3 Feb 2003 — 10:17pm
Thanks, John, I appreciate your comments and I working hard to adjust and complete my first typographic development.
Mauro.
3 Feb 2003 — 11:44pm
I would make the top part of the t even just a little bit shorter. Not too much, but just enough to really distinguish it from the ascender of the l very clearly.
The g is a real problem. I don't think you can make that left side so weak: not along the whole length at least. Try keeping the narrowing on the lower right, but strengthen the stroke again as it comes through the lower left. The transition you probably need is similar to what you have in the c. Also, you might try a version with a hook descender, but without the complete loop.
By the way, the recent change to the y is excellent: exactly what I would have recommended.
18 Feb 2003 — 11:32pm
Hi,
New changes and adjustments on
19 Feb 2003 — 7:19am
Hi Mauro,
Your typeface looks really nice, with much of character! Congratulations!
Now, let