Pill aberration

Christian Robertson's picture

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Yet another incomplete face from provo, utah. One day I will finish one.

This is an aberration of pill gothic. Worth pursuing? There are some forms that I think are just downright stunning, but I think I might have two faces here. (the a and the w, for example).

Stephen Coles's picture

Very pretty. I'm purplexed by this type. First
it seemed very steady and solid, but then it
became calligraphic. It looks great in either
respect, but looks incongruous. Also, it's 4 A.M.
MST. and I just put my milk in the cupbaord and
cereal in the fridge.

I like the squarish shape and the left beaks.
Every glyph that sports a one is stellar ("u", "w").

Some of the ball terminals seem out of place,
though. I'm not sure what can be done. Maybe too
heavy ("f","r")?

The "e" looks like it's in the middle of a yawn.
Is it finished? Maybe turn the "a" upside-down?

The "s" is nice, but also looks like it's from
another font. Serifs too large?

You, me, Thometz, Benson (at heart)...
Utahns of the world: unite and take over.

Stephen

Stephen Coles's picture

Figured what might be hurting your "e". The eye
is too small. See, now you're making me mention
Zapf again. Have a look at his Melior for more ideas
here. There are some similar forms and some
opportunities for derivation. Take a gander at the
serif solution for the "s".

http://www.myfonts.com/FontFamily122.html

By the way, don't mistake me - I still think you kick
Hermann's butt with this one, just some things to
look at.

Stephen

Christian Robertson's picture

It's the w, v, and y. I need to change them to fit the face. They are too calligraphic. I like them too much though. I might have to do a different face to match them. One thing, I found out, though, is that in a body of text, the w, v, y don't stand out so much, as they aren't usually together like that. They kind of add some spice. Maybe I can find a way to keep the spice and still match. I definitely agree on the ball serifs. They need some serious work.

And the s! I can never figure out appropriate terminals. I need to do some serious s research. I'm getting to where I can control the bez-curves, though. (yay, this one didn't take me half as long as some of the others).

I have to cite hermann as an influence for this face. He does some funky cool stuff with squared serifed faces. Zaph eliptical is one of the coolest things I've seen, it just lacks some flavor.

Stephen Coles's picture

This is going on my wall of quotes:

"I need to do some serious s research."

Stephen

deadbeat's picture

i'm with david T. on the "v,w,&y" also with the "x". maybe work them
into two different families like you said before. give the "u" the same feel as the "v"
i'm not the biggest serif fan, but this one has me waiting for more.
deadbeat

Christian Robertson's picture

I did a few tweeks. I couldn't force myself to loose the calli y. --yet. We'll see. It's all a sketch and the I haven't decided what I want to do with the ball terminals yet. If you look close, they are all different right now.

sample

Christian Robertson's picture

Ouch. The s sucks. so does the c.

Christian Robertson's picture

Actually, the c is almost there. It's square. I think I like it that way. It is like the opposite of humanizing a san-serif face. It is a dehumanized serif. The c just needs a little thinner thins. the e is still yawning a little, but I like it that way. It needs to yawn a little to be properly matched to the unnatural squareness of the other letters. Maybe.

The whole thing is unnatural, kind of uncomfortable. It feels like it should be really organic, because it's calligraphic, but it's so rigid it's almost mono-spaced.

hrant's picture

> It is a dehumanized serif.

:->
You should definitely use that expression when promoting this font.

BTW, I've come to see a lot of potential in the mixing of rigid and fluid (organic) forms. It's not anything very novel, but to me it has yet to be done with enough subtlety - I think you're on the right track (or maybe: one of the right tracks).


hhp

Christian Robertson's picture

I think I agree on the ball terminals. I think you are right, David, I also miss the calli characters. I hadn't really thought about using it in conjunction with pill gothic. I might look at the two together and see if I can't get them to fit... I want pill abberation ( I didn't intend for that to be a name, but it's kind of growing on me) to stand on it's own though, and I don't want to have to take out any of its character to make it match. We'll see if it works.

anonymous's picture

Actually, I think the lc "v", "w" and "y" are some of the strongest glyphs of the font. Rather than changing them to fit the face, I'd love to see you change more of the glyphs to fit the characteristics of these three, without changing the "Pill Gothic" structures upon which they were based.

Also, of the two lc "x"s, I prefer the one with half-serifs. Perhaps several of the other glyphs could get by with half-serifs worked in instead of completely relying on the more classic full-serifs.

I also think that the "a" and the "w" work well enough together; I think it's the "h", "m", "n", "r", and (perhaps, but definitely to a lesser degree) "u", "p", and "q" that are throwing off the balance by looking too conservative. (Must be the Utah connection, no? ;) ) Judicious use of half-serifs in addition to your serious "s" research ( :D ) may help pull the font back into cohesiveness.

As for that "s", have you tried applying the same logic that worked so well with the "a"? That diagonal stroke is really a winner. It might even be interesting applied to the "g".

As for the "f" and "r", do you need the ball terminals at all? The abruptness of the "j" and "t" terminals seems to be working well, and may work just as well on the other characters with similar form.

Finally, I don't at all mind that Pill Gothic is solid and monolinear, while this one (Pill Aberration) has stroke modulation. The two structures work harmoniously for the FF Scala family, and it looks to me as though they will work equally well for this family.

Keep it up -- I'd love to be able to use these someday!

David

anonymous's picture

(You may also try shaving the ball terminal off of the "y", for the same reasons as "f" and "r".)

(David, parenthetically appending)

Jared Benson's picture

In the spirit of "S" research, I've posted a few bezier walk-throughs over on "Beezer Sans" at:

http://www.typophile.com/cgibin/show.pl?29/477.html

anonymous's picture

Hrant, you are a complete jerk!

Whoops -- sorry, Hrant. Wrong thread. ;)

In all seriousness (well...! :) ) I miss the old calligraphic "v", "w", "x" and "y".

As for the new "s", it fits with the new non-calligraphic characters, but perhaps looks out of place because it is sitting next to the calligraphic "t".

With a flagship glyph like the quirky "a", I'd hate to see the other characters overly sterilized as well.

Having said that, the "e", "r" and "f" are much improved.

Oh

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