versions of Bodoni and Bulmer

Can anyone give a definitive ID for these versions of Bodoni and Bulmer.

The version of Bodoni is quite nice, though i can't find a match, particularly in regards to the negative space in the 'J'

The Bulmer looks like a display version, but the terminals are more refined than i can find


I think the Bodoni is a Didot, probably the one from H&FJ.

ah great , i think it is didot 96, thanks.

anyone know about the bulmer on the burroughs image?