Armenian Dram Sign

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Hrant H Papazian's picture
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For the public record:
I don't remember seeing the Armenian Eternity use in text for anything more than random decoration, and that's pretty rare too. On the other hand, the same is true of many other symbols in Unicode.

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I included Armenian Dram in my font project, but my design is probably not as good as the sign deserves. Could you please criticize it?

Please ignore spacing/kerning as this is not set by now. Thanks in advance.

Hrant H Papazian's picture
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Looks fine to me.
What does your Yen look like?

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Igor Freiberger's picture
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Thanks, hrant. Yen:

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> I included Armenian Dram in my font project,
thank you for that!

> but my design is probably not as good as the sign deserves. Could you please criticize it?
well, generally looks ok, however let me think about spasing/kerning.
On http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_dram_sign there are the samples of my first attempts to shape it.

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I have the pleasure to inform you that last month in Korea ISO/IEC JTC1/SC2/WG2 accepted both the RIGHT-FACING ARMENIAN ETERNITY SIGN and the LEFT-FACING ARMENIAN ETERNITY SIGN as proposed in http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n3924.pdf

Instead of encoding these in the Armenian block at U+05BD and U+05BE, the committee suggested encoding these in Plane 1, in the Miscellaneous Symbols and Pictographs block, at U+1F53E and U+1F53F.

I have written to SARM to ask whether this allocation is OK with them, or if they prefer them to be encoded in the Armenian block itself.

Hrant H Papazian's picture
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Wonderful! Many thanks for your efforts, Michael.
Any news concerning the Dram?

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Hrant H Papazian's picture
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Michael has just informed me that the Dram is confirmed, at 058F.

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Confirmed, yes, but not published yet. Which is to say that it is probably okay to start using that codepoint for the Dram symbol, but some implementers have a policy of waiting until a character is in a published version of the standard.

Hrant H Papazian's picture
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OK, good to know.
So is that what July is?

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Incidentally, while I originally thought the Armenian eternity symbol was an odd thing to put in Unicode, in looking up information about the older coding standards for the Armenian language, I noticed that one of them included it. This is probably why it is in Unicode, since one of the goals of the project is to permit text encoded in any older character coding standard to be converted to Unicode and back again.

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The eternity characters were encoded on the basis of this proposal.

The code position of the dram is certain; the encoding position of the eternity characters is still uncertain.

Hrant H Papazian's picture
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So Unicode 6.1 is out, and the Armenian Dram is now official (at U+058F).

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Hrant,
Do you have a very good example that might serve as a respectable model for the glyph?

Reynir Heiðberg Stefánsson's picture
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@hrant – Yer gunna hoist a wee dram to that?

Hrant H Papazian's picture
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Clearly I think the ones in Ernestine and Nour&Patria are good models. :-)
The one in the Unicode PDF isn't (the bars are sitting too high).

Structurally, the "normal" way to do it is to take U+0534,
take off the rightward protrusion off the stem, and add
two bars crossing the stem; the bars might go further to
the left than the right. BTW, in a text font you're unlikely
to be able to get away with using a single bar because of
the character's proximity to U+0534 (although context
would resolve any ambiguity 99% of the time).

BTW, more like a pint!
http://www.sovereignimports.com/?page_id=4

hhp