I Spent $300 Million on This Movie and All I Got Were These Lousy Papyrus Subtitles

Si_Daniels's picture
evanbrog's picture

I care a what other people think. Just not yourself.

But considering how lame it is to attempt to call someone out for maybe not yet having gone to school as long as you, I would lend you any of my guns. Shoot yourself.

dezcom's picture

"...I would lend you any of my guns. Shoot yourself."

This is highly inappropriate behavior for anyone of any level of education. There is enough violence done in the world every day that we do not need wish it on someone else.

ChrisL

hrant's picture

My issue with your BFA was not with the "B", but with the "FA". Of itself a Fine Arts education is certainly not a bad thing (in fact in this context it's probably more appropriate in the overall than my own formal education, which was in Computer Science*) but combined with what you wrote above to me it's pretty damning. A font is not a painting.

* And only a BS mind you.

hhp

bowerbird's picture

i don't care that much for papyrus
-- my favoritest is comic sans! --
but i was wondering if anyone here
could explain exactly _why_ it is so
popular as signage for mom&pops?

i mean, you're the guys who claim to
understand the deep subconsciousness
of fonts, so why do people pick papyrus?

-bowerbird

p.s. it's not enough to say "bad taste"...
i want an exposition on _why_ it is bad...

quadibloc's picture

I provided a possible suggestion in another thread. I think it's popular because it suggests a non-Western flavor, but unlike a "simulation font", it does not do so in a blatant fashion which could possibly give offense.

Its styling, while appropriate for something to do with Ancient Egypt, is applicable in other places, because it isn't solidly grounded in a specific historical reference. This is because it is of relatively contemporary origin. Thus, it doesn't suggest the phototype fonts of the 1970s, or the foundry types of the 1920s, or some particular form of script or blackletter.

So it is a natural choice for anything "exotic" or "New Age".

As for bad taste, the complaints are mostly not because of any fault in the font itself (except for its distressed character) but because it is overused.

evanbrog's picture

Well that's funny, cuz I'm not a painter. I've never taken a painting class in my life and wouldn't know a thing about it. I have a BFA in Graphic Design.

Furthermore I know some BAs who are more than qualified to talk about type and design. How would you explain such a "phenomenon," as it must surely seem to you impossible.

Why do you again insist upon your own greatness? THAT is the BS.

People are allowed to disagree, but the manner in which you would single someone out and say, "HA! That person cannot know a THING. They're a bFA!"--that's just astounding. Shame on you.

Tomi from Suomi's picture

Once again: apart from type, could we just say that Avatar is not a great movie?

evanbrog's picture

Well the story line has been seen before. Romeo & Juliet meets Dances With Wolves. But such great plot lines couldn't be explored as deeply when Cameron was so concerned with creating that world.

But I guess your question depends on what you wanted to get out of the movie in the first place. If you want the effect many old classics do, well sure it's lacking. Then again if you wanted to see it to be purely entertained and immersed--I think in that respect it is a great movie indeed.

And of course on the Fine Arts side of things, if you'll allow it ;) ...people will come to it with their own experiences. Maybe it is a great environmentalist movie. I know I saw people cry, so it mustn't be a complete catastrophe.

TimKim's picture

"Good type should be invisible." That definitely applies in this situation. The primary role of subtitles is to be readable. The choice for a papyrus-like font is a rather poor one because it is a font that everyone loves to hates and takes the stage before reading.

russellm's picture

99% of people couldn't pick papyrus out in a police line-up.

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nina's picture

"99% of people couldn’t pick papyrus out in a police line-up."

But does that matter?

dezcom's picture

“99% of people couldn’t pick papyrus out in a police line-up.”

"That's him, Officer! Number 2 with the scars and skraggly hair!"

Book'm, Danno!

ChrisL

bowerbird's picture

> The choice for a papyrus-like font
> is a rather poor one because it is
> a font that everyone loves to hates
> and takes the stage before reading.

like many experts, you guys seem to be
talking out of both sides of your mouths.

if papyrus is "a font that _everyone_ loves to hate",
then why do people pick papyrus for their signage?
why is the font "overused" if nobody likes it?

i think it's clear that if you see the font used a lot,
it's because people _do_ like it. the question is "why?"

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> I think it’s popular because
> it suggests a non-Western flavor,
> but unlike a “simulation font”,
> it does not do so in a blatant fashion
> which could possibly give offense.

i can buy the "non-western flavor"
-- although i'm not sure _why_ --
but most people wouldn't have the
slightest idea what a "simulation font"
would even be, or why they'd use one,
and i'm sure most people couldn't care
less about "doing so in a blatant fashion".
and the notion that a font "could possibly
give offense" would be downright laughable,
so i don't think that's part of their motivation.

-bowerbird

russellm's picture

Chris, In Canada they say "Taser'm, Dudly."

altaira, It matters if one thinks that Papyrus is "is a rather poor one because it is a font that everyone loves to hate…" as TimKim suggests. everyone doesn't love to hate Papyrus.


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quadibloc's picture

> but most people wouldn’t have the slightest idea what a “simulation font” would even be, or why they’d use one, and i’m sure most people couldn’t care less about “doing so in a blatant fashion”. and the notion that a font “could possibly give offense” would be downright laughable,

I'm sure that even though most people don't know the technical term "simulation font", they have seen such fonts, and I do think they are significantly out of fashion these days due to political correctness.

Of course, it varies. If people are avoiding Ondine and Legende, it's probably more because they're worried about bringing thoughts of terrorism to people's minds than giving offence. Nor is giving offense a consideration with respect to, Andromache or Herculanum, or other fonts that resemble some form of Greek or Roman writing. But when it comes to the fonts that make English letters look like written Hebrew, or like Chinese characters, yes, people feel that sort of thing is just not done any more.

bowerbird's picture

i think papyrus looks like palm trees,
and that's why people feel it's "exotic".

-bowerbird

russellm's picture

caching, bowerbird … :o)

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