(x) ID the typographer? "Monika Italic" - Mr Canfields by Alejandro Paul {Pete B}

Jessie's picture

Hi folks,

I'm not sure this is the exact right place for this, but I'm trying to track down the typographer of a free script font that's all over the freebie sites.

Font is Monika Italic [link removed by moderator] and the credit goes to "Catrina" (for whom I cannot seem to find any info whatsoever).

I'd like to use this in a commercial piece (all accompanying license info says it's freeware, but the font file is unembeddable which indicates otherwise). Can anyone either point me in the right direction, or perhaps suggest a suitable alternative ('50s-era italic script)? This is a pro bono project, so sadly I need to lean toward free or cheap.

Thanks so much!

Prime-One's picture

The closest thing i can find as an alternate is Mr. DeHaviland from Veer. Other than that, no luck.

Prime-One's picture

Correction. Closest I could find is Mr. Canfields from Veer. Not Mr. DeHaviland. Monika Italic is a direct knock-off of Monika Italic with a bit less of a skew. Not sure where the numbers are from though.

http://www.veer.com/products/typedetail.aspx?image=UMT0000069

Jessie's picture

Oh, that is absurdly close, thank you! It's too bad this project doesn't have the budget...will have to find something on the cheap, sadly.

Thanks very much for the effort.

Florian Hardwig's picture

FWIW: Alejandro Paul’s Mr Canfields can be purchased separately for $45.

hrant's picture

Has Saginaw been removed from Font Squirrel? If so, why?

hhp

PabloImpallari's picture

Monika Italic is a direct knock-off

It's not.

Both are different in lot's of the small details. And both seem to be independent revivals of an alphabet first published in "Script and Manuscript Lettering", published by the Higgins Ink Company in 1944.
http://www.tiendadelweb.com/121073846013P-script-and-manuscript-letterin...

The same set of alphabets, in a much bigger reproduction, was also featured in Architectural Lettering for Plans and Ornamental design. by Arthur E. Burke. 1953
http://openlibrary.org/books/OL6130009M/Architectural_lettering_for_plan...

There is no reason to remove the link to Monika Italic

hrant's picture

But I do wish you would do the opposite (complain about links to fonts you believe are illegitimate) at least once in a blue moon... Even corrupt lawyers end up defending the good guy sometimes.

hhp

PabloImpallari's picture

Jajaja.. lol.... I'm not defending anyone in particular. Just contributing some facts when I think I have some evidence.

Here is one you will like: Saginaw is a commercial TreacyFaces font
http://www.treacyfaces.com/050806_TFSaginaw_2c5a.html
The light weight is awesome, and true to the original (See the image at the bottom of the TreacyFaces page).
The bold, instead, is ugly and has lost all the charm.

It was digitized from The Headliners New York, Inc., a hand lettering artist company that also created a few phototype fonts, but went out of business pretty soon.

It was a style of hand lettering typically used for Cars advertising, in particular Pontiac cars, from 1955 to 1957, like this vintage ad:

hrant's picture

You're very much defending certain people. But I've never seen you defend certain other kinds of people, even when they deserve it.

BTW, when a company goes out of business their IP doesn't necessarily become public domain.

hhp

PabloImpallari's picture

lol... here we go again...

You're very much defending certain people. But I've never seen you defend certain other kinds of people, even when they deserve it.

Same applies to you, but in the opposite direction...

And BTW, I just defended Treacyfaces.. :)

when a company goes out of business their IP doesn't necessarily become public domain

As far as I know, they are still in business.

hrant's picture

Now try defending Monotype. Or try defending Typophile when you see somebody link to an unethical font.

Treacyfaces, shmreacyfaces. Have you researched who might have inherited the rights to Headliners IP?

I'm not like that at all. I even defend people who have physically assaulted me, when they deserve to be defended.

hhp

PabloImpallari's picture

Or try defending Typophile when you see somebody link to an unethical font.

Try taking Jared Benson advice, http://typophile.com/node/101076?page=1 (last post)

"Despite some obvious growing pains, Typophile remains committed to keeping the community an inviting place for designers of all skill levels to learn, share tips, and promote the art of typeface design. Our policy is clear against making personal attacks on the forums; it's one of the few places where we feel the need to intervene and make our presence known, as the result on the community is detrimental to our mission.

For years, the Type ID board has been a place where community newcomers can get help on a font they've got their eye on. However, recently it has become a place where new posters get accused and verbally accosted for speculative crimes. This is unacceptable and injurious to the community at large. This is NOT what we are about.

To be succinct: cut it out. If you think a request is fishy, ignore it."

PabloImpallari's picture

Treacyfaces, shmreacyfaces. Have you researched who might have inherited the rights to Headliners IP?

Yes, I actually have. Have you?
Once I was interested in doing a revival of another Headliners typeface, and Treacyfaces have it, all legally and ethically. So I didn't did it.
Now you are accusing Treacyfaces... oh god... This just proves your ignorance....
Headliners sold the rights to Treacyfaces, for your information.

See...I did what you asked: defended the right one... and you keep complaining out of thin air... next time, at least google it first.

hrant's picture

The only "accusation" I'm making is that you seem to be too one-sided. I'm most impressed when somebody defends something they don't like, because it is just.

hhp

hrant's picture

BTW, concerning how to handle perceived unethical behavior, you seem to have picked the single most lenient position you could find. In fact in all these years I think it's the only time I've heard Jared or a moderator say "just ignore it". In contrast, I suspect you've seen Chris Dean (and previously Tiffany Wardle) periodically say that we should report such things to him. Would you do it?

hhp

DPape's picture

Good. He's found another one to pick on.

It's been about a week.

hrant's picture

I don't think you and Pablo are in the same category at all.

BTW why did you just edit your post to remove the reference to Manfred?

hhp

DPape's picture

Manfred's a subject for a different day. Wanted to focus on this topic.

hrant's picture

I'll be waiting.

hhp

Renaissance Man's picture

It didn't take long to go from "cut it out" to "here we go again." At least if a thread is going to be hijacked, it's probably better to resurrect one that's 3 years old than one that's current.

DPape's picture

And to raise your game by picking on Pablo Impallari rather than DPape!

hrant's picture

The important thing, of course, is to make sure not to answer any questions.

hhp

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