without more actual information on the organization it's hard to really give you input. Though I do like it. But for a youthgroup I think it may be a little to conservative without knowing more about the actual org.

Good point, I was thinking with the less conservative the posters/flyers etc it'd go one, it would stand out and be recognisable. Also i didn't want to take a patronising hip youth angle with it as they are 14-18year olds. But i'm just a student so please correct me if i'm wrong

also how's the typography and the layout of the text/image

edit: can't get the updated image to show just a min

just tried thickening, it doesn't look bad but I think the idea of the white lines being the corners of the indent is lost.

WHat do you guys think of the ledge along the bottom?

also how do you upload the images to you post? i can only get them to work up top

> a B cut into the ground with a hidden P

I'm not seeing this. Do you mean something like this?

hmm don't think my client is to happy with it or is just using another designer, thanks for the help anyway

apankrat: yea that is a much better example of what I was trying to do

riccard0: also a good idea may try this to

I'll do some more work on this just for myself later and post them up