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Travis Kochel's picture
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I've been working on this for a few weeks now, and it's about time to get some outside thoughts.

I started off wanting to do something futuristic but classy, but may have strayed from that a bit, which is probably for the best. I see this as more of a headline font, especially in this weight, shooting for sizes 18+. Eventually, I might try to get the lighter weights to work in smaller sizes.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I think what I'm struggling with most is the widths and proportions of the caps. The semi-double-story g will have to be an alternate, if included at all.

No kerning yet, by the way.


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This looks very nice!
I think widening the glyphs a bit to let a little more white into those narrow counters might be good to try (unless narrowness is a priority purpose of this font). The counters look cramped, and consequently the whiteness of letters like /C/, /c/ and /r/ may jump out.
/W/ looks exceedingly wide; /T/ and /L/ might be a bit too wide too. Maybe /S/ too, which also leans backwards a bit, like /s/.
I like the /t/, and the shape of the lowercase ascenders. That's a nice /h/!

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Thanks Craig. I think you may be right about the narrowness. It is making some ugly gaps. I was trying to keep it slightly condensed as a design constraint, as well as to keep it from getting unwieldy at larger sizes. But perhaps it would be good to open it up a bit.

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I widened it a bit. Does this flow a little better now, or does it need to be wider still? See the pdf for a text setting.

Are the ‘S’ and ‘s’ still leaning back? I having difficulty seeing that.

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Wondering if the 'M' might be a bit too harsh. Does it work better with slightly angled outer strokes?

1: Original
2: Slightly angled

Also trying to figure out where the tail of the alternate 'g' should align.

1: Original. Feels comfortable until another descender shows up.
2: Pulled down to descender length.
3: Pulled up to baseline. (way too cramped though)

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Joined: 13 Jul 2009 - 4:20am
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The second M is better.

As for g, dunno, but not the third one.

Craig Eliason's picture
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Did you try an /M/ with splayed legs and a central vertex that goes down to the baseline?

Bert Vanderveen's picture
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The s'es are still leaning back (look at the samples upside down and/or in a mirror and you'll see).

Lowercase g: try to equal the (top) counter of it with that of the a. In other words: somewhere between sample 1 and 3.

The second M is a tad too heavy/wide imo.

Murray Crocker's picture
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did you try not starting with meta outlines mate hahahaha!

Briän M Zick's picture
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This really doesn't look like Meta. A lot more like the same designer's Unit. (But still a lot different.)

Travis Kochel's picture
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did you try not starting with meta outlines mate hahahaha!
Damn, wish I would have started with meta. Would have saved a ton of time.

Seriously though, I'm certainly not going to deny that I find Spiekermann's work inspiring, but I did not copy any outlines, and would not ever intentionally rip off any design.

Anyhow, here's the M with the vertex going to the baseline, and a few more tweaks.


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Joined: 15 Oct 2008 - 3:09pm
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I like this really like this kind of type, but a few remarks:
- I'd choose the M at 2 (not the gray one)
- I think the black "a" is better
- Same for the "g"
- Gray "S" is somewhat too fat and quirky. Black one is better, but the middle piece is a little too high compared with the black "s".
- I'd prefer an alternate t with a complete stem at both sides.

Keep up the good work! :D

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Hey Travis,

don’t wanna be a killjoy but when I saw this, my first thought was these are FF Unit outlines, slightly blended with those of another font, e.g. Meta (Condensed) and adjusted in details.
The reason for my ‘suspicion’ might be the fact that there are a lot of ‘newbie’ fonts out there these days that share significant similarities with existing fonts, mainly differing in some ‘unusual’ characters or in details (most often at the end of strokes, since this is the quickest way to change the overall appearance of a font).
On the other hand, if you did this from scratch you could take my comment as a hint that your font might look too similar to an existing one.

Cheers!

J.