Which g to choose?

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Jasper Michael de Waard's picture
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 - 10:32am
Which g to choose?
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Hey everybody,

I have made three different g's for my expletus-sans typeface, but I can't choose. Making an alternative might casue the user to make a wrong decision and I still have to decide which g to make default. the last g will be quite hard to convert to bold, because the gap takes in quite some space. Any comments are welcome!

Riccardo Sartori's picture
Joined: 13 Jul 2009 - 4:20am
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The center one as default and the top one as alternate.

Jasper Michael de Waard's picture
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 - 10:32am
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Thanks. I was thinking the same.

Matthew Stephen Stuckwisch's picture
Joined: 7 Feb 2007 - 10:21am
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Hrm, I'm partial to the bottom one as default and top as alternate.

Jasper Michael de Waard's picture
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 - 10:32am
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Damn, now you're confusing me. Right now, the ascenders are 20 units longer that the descenders, but I can't change this if I go for the bottom g, because I simply can't vertically compress it any more without making it look ugly. Furthermore, I think it might be very hard to convert the bottom g to bold.

Then again, the descenders being longer doesn't really bother me and if the bottom g looks best, why not pic that one?

I was hoping I would get several comments with the same opinion, but this is only making it worse.

Riccardo Sartori's picture
Joined: 13 Jul 2009 - 4:20am
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I think you should judge the glyph in context.
To my eyes, the bottom one, while a worthy glyph unto itself, don’t plays very well with the overall style of the typeface. It seems to me too busy (and too much serif-like).
You should print some text with each option and look at the colour and flow.

Jasper Michael de Waard's picture
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 - 10:32am
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I will, thanks riccardo.

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Although I love double storied g's in this case I find the top (single story) one the best fit in the overall design — the upper bowls of the double-storieds are just too puny (smallish) for me…

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> I simply can't vertically compress it any more without making it look ugly.

Try this:

1, make the upper part of the loop horizontal
2, make the upper part of the loop slightly thicker than the bottom bit of the loop
3, move the all bits up and tweak
you might need to make parts of the letter g thinner to achieve optical balance with the other glyphs
Also, that broken join, it may help to make it more vertical in this glyph.

If that doesn't work, IMO you could use the middle as default, top as alt, or reverse - depending on what you want.

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Perhaps like this?

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Unlike most of the above comments, I see that the top (single storied one) is the only one that fits with the rest of the design, but it is already hard to judge on such a small sample.

Jasper Michael de Waard's picture
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 - 10:32am
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thaks for all your comments guys. I've made up my mind. The second is default and the first is alt. I've decide the last g just isn't good enough, so it's between the first and the second now. I guess it's just a matter of personal flavour.
@brian: I've already tried everything. Believe me. Offcoarse it's possible to compress it further, but at some point it just doesn't look good anymore. I don't think your g is really a solution because I think the space between the upper and lower bowl is to small, the gap is to small and the curve next to the gap looks even worse than in my original. Anyway, thanks for taking some time for this. It did help.

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The top like regular, without doubt

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While this isn't directly related to your post, how would one go about buying your font. I really like it. And I might pitch it to my yearbook students. I think they'd be pretty astonished a 14 year old did it. A rather elegant font you've created here.

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Joined: 24 Apr 2008 - 10:32am
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Wow! That's awesome! I have decided to really take my time with expletus so I'm guessing it's still about a year before the actual release, though I'm saying that for half a year already now, so it might become even more. I can send you a free (Off coarse it's free, what an honour!) version of it now, though you must know it's far from finished. Just mail your email adress to jasper_boy.13@hotmail.com and I'll send it to you. Where do you teach?

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And I quite liked my example... I really can't see a problem with the space between the bowls (look at the space to the right where it starts to open up), in my example the bowls weren't equalized.

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Regarding your original post, I agree with a number of the other comments. The first g fits in with the overall design best. However, I do find the isolated design of the second and third g quite elegant.

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Joined: 24 Apr 2008 - 10:32am
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@brian: Your example isn't bad, but I've decided that an unsimplified double-story g just doesn't look good in expletus regarding style and also looks forced into a too small space. I'll upload a new update on expletus with the final g soon. It's the middle one with some small adjustments.
@yearbooker: I haven't recieved an email yet and I can't contact you via Typophile. Are you waiting untill it's finished or has something else gone wrong?

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I sent one to jasper_boy.13@hotmail.com
Did I miss something?

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It might be in Jasper's spam/bulk mail folder.

Jasper Michael de Waard's picture
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 - 10:32am
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OK, something must have gone wrong. I hate hotmail. If you can send it to jasper@designtown.nl instead, that would be better. It wasn't in my spam folder either. Sorry for the inconvenience.

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Clearly I'm no typeface designer. To me, the g on the top looks like it belongs to the face, and the other two don't.