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Faces similar to Caslon Pro, Mrs Eaves etc
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I'm working on a cookbook and I'm looking for "tactile" serifs, preferably with pro features, interesting glyffs/ligatures etc.

Any ideas?

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Have a look at [[http://www.fontbureau.com/fonts/WilliamsCaslonText/|Williams Caslon Text]]. It has a big variety of open type options, and you can use, eg., the swash caps with italic small caps for a more showy look on headings.

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If you could elaborate on your definition of "tactile" it would help the group. Is for academic, professional or personal?

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If you could elaborate on your definition of "tactile" it would help the group

Also it would help if you could elaborate on "cookbook".

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Thanks for the replies – by tactile I mean sharper serifs, more cursive italics – more hand crafted than mechanical.

It's a reasonably upmarket cookbook filled with recipies and nice photography of food.

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For slightly more interesting, there's also

Freight text pro: http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/garagefonts/freight-text-pro/
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Freight display pro: http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/garagefonts/freight-disp-pro/

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An original oldstyle design, in the extravagant manner of 1920s historicism (with lots of bells and whistles): Oneleigh OT.

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For recipes, the numbers and fractions are important. Decide whether you will have lining or old style figures, and check the numbers out before you decide.

Is this more of a practical cookbook or a inspirational/coffee table type of cookbook?

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Thanks to another cookbook designer on Typophile, I put "arbitrary fractions" into Williams Caslon: you can do 3/16 or 235/789, and it will work, kerned. Also lining figures, proportional and monospaced, and old style figures, proportional and lined. And small caps fractions.

If you want some sharp serifs—which work better in display IMHO—you can do Williams Caslon Text for Text and Big Caslon for Titles, as Boston Magazine has done. Big Caslon has stylish italics you can get if you ask.

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Most of the fonts mentioned in this thread have an (arbitrary) Fractions feature and the four basic figure styles.

But is kerning numerators and denominators (especially with the fraction bar) a good idea? -- shouldn't all the figures in an ingredients list, including fractions, be tabular?

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Thanks – Ideally I'd like Old Style figures – so a versatile open type serif with fractions is really needed.

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That's interesting.
My first inclination would be to say that old style figures and fractions don't combine well, as many of the integers are so short (esp. 1 and 2) that they are almost the same height as the figures in the fractions. However, their form is so different that a sufficient contrast is established -- very "tactile".

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I also think that fractions don't work so well with old style figures. With a playful font like Oneleigh, you might make it work, but I doubt it generally.

On the issue of having uniform width fractions, this can't work when you have more than one digit in the numerator or denominator. Williams Caslon Text has uniform width fractions for the basic half, thirds, quarters and eighths, if you want them.

There is also the option in proportional old style of the traditional "I" shaped one and "ring" shaped zero, on one hand, and the default barbed one and stressed zero.

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...a playful font like Oneleigh...

I don't think it's the playfulness of the "font".
It's how homogenized the interpretation of the oldstyle is.
Compare Monotype Garamond with Adobe Garamond.
They are both the same typeface, Garamond, but Slimbach's interpretation homogenizes the treatment of the figures.

This is a departure from 20th century metal, where fractions were generic, modern, and lining.
So if a typographer used oldstyle figures for integers, then there would automatically be a stylistic contrast with the fractions.

Nut fractions is another story...

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Miller:
http://www.fontbureau.com/magazine/fonts/serif/text/Miller/

Requiem:
http://www.typography.com/fonts/font_overview.php?productLineID=100020

I was also going to recommend Foundry Wilson, but I can't find it for sale anywhere anymore.

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foundry wilson:
http://www.davidquaydesign.com/news/typefaces.php

"If you want to see the whole font family and character sets or license the fonts please contact The Foundry direct."

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Not really the Caslon corner, but I would associate "tactile" with those:

Warnock Pro from Adobe. Optical sizes, Pro features.
[[http://www.motaitalic.com/fonts/vesper|Vesper Pro]] should be a good choice too, many characters, interesting use of [[http://www.motaitalic.com/fonts/vesper/contextual-alternates|contextual alternatives]].
[[http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/fdi/fdi-tierra-nueva/|Tierra Nueva]]
[[http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/estudio-ch/espinosa-nova/|Espinosa Nova]]
[[http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/adobe/dante/|Dante]]
[[http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/bitstream/iowan-old-style/|Iowan]]

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The question about tabular fractions is very interesting. Do any font include fractions with tabular and proportional options?

I made the fractions in my [[http://typophile.com/node/67787|font]] all proportional (especially considering the huge difference between digit one and all the others), but I guess it would be a good idea to also include tabular variants. So when user selects tabular numbers, fractions are set accordingly.

BTW, I'm using 10 set of numbers (aligned to uppercase, small caps and petite caps, besides old style and the default set, whose height is midway small caps and uppercase).

Although not similar to Caslon, other good options are [[http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/brassfonts/girando-pro/|Girando Pro]] and [[http://commercialtype.com/typefaces/lyon/lyon_text|Lyon Text]].

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I think Odile could work nicely for a "traditional elegant" cookbook. Initials, Deco stuff, Upright italic, weights and nevertheless a "not over the top" typeface family.
Check http://www.vllg.com/Kontour/Odile#panel=mudtyper-weights-poster

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check out the gorgeous maiola: http://www.type-together.com/maiola

it has a handcrafted look with some sharp details.