Shape "correction" experiment

hrant
13.Nov.2004 11.51am
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This is an experiment to see how your brain works.

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Please fix the shape below:

shape

To forestall the power of suggestion, please prepare your corrected shape before Saturday, November the 20th, and submit it to this thread after Sunday, November the 21st. Your time zone.

Note:
This is not a test - you cannot fail. On the other hand, incriminating aspects of your psyche might very well be revealed. :->

Repeat:
Do not show any work before the end of your 21st (not even if it's just a joke). Thank you.

hhp



speter
25.Nov.2004 11.47am
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Did this die?


hrant
25.Nov.2004 12.16pm
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Looks like it.
Maybe it was too ambitious. Should I bother trying a more "primitive" starting shape?

The point of this of course is to see how designers "regularize" shapes.

hhp


John Hudson
25.Nov.2004 6.29pm
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Maybe people didn't respond because they didn't think anything useful could be determined by the exercise, or because they thought you had pre-determined that designers would regularise the shape. I also suspect that most designers associate fixing something or making something correct relative to a brief, so presenting them with a shape without any context of what it is for isn't likely to garner a response. The trick would be to come up with a context that would not overly determine how the designer would respond, but that seems to me very difficult.


John Hudson
25.Nov.2004 6.31pm
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Also, an EPS outline would be easier to work with than a bitmap image.


hrant
25.Nov.2004 9.50pm
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Sure it could turn out to be a pointless waste, but let's have some faith in experimentation, come on. And although I doubt much could be "determined", it might very well get quite interesting, no?

> they thought you had pre-determined that
> designers would regularise the shape.

Actually I had this idea that somebody might just re-post what I showed, in effect saying "it's fine as it is"!

I tried to be as non-guiding as possible. This is why I avoided a "brief" (normally very relevant, I agree) and why I didn't give actual ouline data (too "explicit").

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Not sure which direction to take it from here - suggestions welcome!

hhp


rs_donsata
25.Nov.2004 10.14pm
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I forgot to post it. But this is what I figured out.


hrant
25.Nov.2004 10.25pm
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:->

hhp


porky
26.Nov.2004 2.35am
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First I wanted to correct to a sideways military hat, then I wanted to correct to a bottle.

hatbottle


Grant Hutchinson
26.Nov.2004 7.00am
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H


Grant Hutchinson
26.Nov.2004 7.04am
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Correction via regulation. (Sort of fits with David's military hat, actually...)

No Unsightly Shapes Allowed


johnbutler
26.Nov.2004 7.17am
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Corrected version:


hrant
26.Nov.2004 8.59am
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Very funny. No, I mean it!

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OK, David's second one is the type of thing that I at least was imagining.
He's not that abnormal, so I think the rest of you can come up with stuff too, eh?

hhp


Richard Hards
26.Nov.2004 12.04pm
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I'd have to start with one of these
shape
Closely followed by


quote:

Please note: Given the nature of the supplied artwork, the attached visual cannot be guaranteed to be a faithful reproduction of the logo requested.

Unless suitable artwork is supplied prior to production, Quazar International will not accept any liability for issues arising from inaccurate logo/corporate style reproduction.



I think we naturally try to impose some order or symmetry to things that we don't recognise


hrant
26.Nov.2004 12.22pm
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OK, cool.

Questions about your righthand one:
1) Why not integrate the top rectangle with the body better?
2) Why not make the very bottom a full arc of a circle?

I guess #1 applies to your lefthand one too, and would extend to wondering why you didn't make the joins at the "feet" smooth, or something.

(I hope you guys appreciate all the "possibilities" I carefully built into my source shape. Sheesh.)

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BTW, it's interesting you thought of it as a logo. Not that that doesn't make sense.

hhp


Richard Hards
26.Nov.2004 1.01pm
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The quote is a standard rider that goes out with any proofs of designs that we have had to reproduce from substandard supplied images, anything that's not standard text (Helvetica) tends to be a logo.

I spend a lot of my time trying to produce clean vectorised versions of shapes supplied as low res jpgs, or faxs, or digital photos of reflective badges on garments. In my experience anti-aliasing and image compression tends to round corners, so I if I see a decent corner, I normally believe it.

I've just set myself off on a whole new tangent about this, but I want to think about it for a while.

The left image I redrew, the righthand one was a mirrored and merged duplicate of an auto-traced right side profile. If I was approching this as a job, OK it's a little wierd, but it doesn't look like I'm getting loads of anti-aliasing or compression defects.

BTW my first thought when I saw H


Richard Hards
26.Nov.2004 2.38pm
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Rushton cartoon as promised, I think it must be the feet.
rushton
Sorry Hrant, I'll get back on topic a bit later.


kennmunk
26.Nov.2004 3.11pm
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I simply forgot about this. Maybe the deadline was too long.
It's too late now that I've seen the others, right?


hrant
26.Nov.2004 3.19pm
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I was indeed worried that people might be interested but simply slowly forget.
I should have put a reminder like two days before the end. I guess I forgot too! :-)

As for "too late", it is indeed too late to
avoid the power of suggestion for this shape
(although very few have been shown yet), but:
- It's not too late to do something with it anyway; and discuss the results.
- There are many other shapes, don't worry! :-)

hhp


hrant
27.Nov.2004 4.09pm
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Wow, an ursine cyborg.

hhp


lorp
27.Nov.2004 4.13pm
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Don't be silly, Hrant. He's just wearing a cloak.


Zara Evens
27.Nov.2004 7.15pm
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L, I have a strange feeling that bear is carrying a knife under that cloak. Maybe it is the whole lurking in the shadows and evil eyes thing.

This comes far too late in the game, but I really want to play!


Stephen Coles
27.Nov.2004 10.03pm
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H


jfp
27.Nov.2004 11.18pm
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My fix,



Like Stephen, I like also Zara one!


steve_p
28.Nov.2004 5.10am
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Yes, I agree the deadline was too long, I forgot all about it. But this is what I was intending to post:

shape

If it ain't broke...


hrant
28.Nov.2004 9.13am
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Wow, two opposite extremes!
I guess "Le Chirurgien" saw it as a foot serif with goiter.

hhp


lorp
28.Nov.2004 9.32am
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David Hubner
28.Nov.2004 9.32am
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HrantShape


hrant
28.Nov.2004 9.37am
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Interesting!

Question:
Did it cross your mind to curve the semicircle-facing edges of the peripheral shapes?

hhp


David Hubner
28.Nov.2004 9.40am
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Well, yes, actually it did, once, but I think I may have been, and still am, too lazy..

( So, then, Dr. Hrant, does this state something weird about my schizophrenic psychic self, beside being a lazy bastard.? )