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so I've just began an idea of a simple hairline serif typeface.
I am very early in the process of putting it together but I've come across a small dilemma: should I dot my /i/s and /j/s or do diamonds add a little class or sophistication? is there certain protocol for this or is entirely based on opinion, etc.
I've attached the letters for reference.

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Include both »tittles«, why not!
You might want to make the diamonds a bit bigger so that they are optically more akin to the impression of the dots.

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thanks for namedropping.
I really like the diamond, I just don't know how to implement the concept into other punctuation.

I adjusted to +25%: looks much better. I'll update periodically.

Thanks again

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Have a look at Johnston's Underground face and the many later designs that draw inspiration from it. Among those: Peter Bilak's Fedra.

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Joined: 26 Feb 2007 - 1:03pm
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Your tittles are very high, and need to be optically centered above the letters, not mathematically. I also don't think you should include both variants, but that's just me. They're such a big part of the design.

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I'll check out Fedra & Underground. I was curious about some other typefaces with similar characteristics.

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This version of Johnston has pinched diamonds.

Frode, why not include different designs, if both are well executed then there is no problem, right?

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(Double post, removed.)

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It’s not a problem. I just think such a big part of a face’s personality should be a choice the type designer does, not the designer.

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Fair point, Frode. If you want to licence the font then that might help create a personality, but then it might also be a selling point to have some alternatives! Changing the tittle does produce an unusually large change in overall appearance (dots always seem friendlier than blocks, for example), so it is worth bearing in mind.

Any other interesting alternatives out there?

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Isn't there also some notion that diamond tittles, punctuation, etc. denote a kind of calligraphic thrust? That's how I always interpreted something like Kabel, that gets more brush stroke–like (or woodcut-like, maybe) as it moves toward heavier weights. This goes even more for Fedra, but then it's fairly modulated.