Sensato Italics (Swash Caps)

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Jasper Michael de Waard's picture
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 - 10:32am
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Hmm... I've tried making it extend a little longer, but that doesn't work. Maybe I should make the gap a little smaller.

Martin Silvertant's picture
Joined: 31 Dec 2009 - 11:51pm
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Damn this looks gorgeous! It reminds me a little of Zapf Chancery (just reminds me; it doesn't look like it) but much cleaner and balanced better.

I think the caps might be ever so slightly too fat in the vertical strokes of loops such as in Q, G and B. Other than that I think it's perfect.

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I think you need to have a serious rethink about your gaps and their purpose. Some characters are hardly recognisable as what they're meant to be at all, especially /H/ which looks like /Fl/ or /Jl/. A lot of the others looks like mysterious diacritics or ligatures. It's a pity for such a gorgeous, subtle, well-balanced font!

Oh, and I'd shrink the bowl of the /G/ a little.

Jasper Michael de Waard's picture
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 - 10:32am
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@Birdseeding. How can you possibly see an F or a J in that? I dont see it, but I'd like to know which caps cause the biggest problem for you. And thanks for all the good words everybody!!

Martin Silvertant's picture
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To be quite honest I also see the Fl. 'J' seems very farfetched. I think I would cut a bit away from the horizontal stroke of the swash so it resembles an 'F' less, and perhaps reduce the swash on its foot a bit to avoid resemblance to a 'J'.

Jasper Michael de Waard's picture
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Working on it :-)

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/Jl/ is a bit far-fetched, I guess - but the big gap (much bigger than the top gap!) between the first half of /H/ and the second does make it look like two separate glyphs, the first one which is not-quite-an-F or a-J-with-a-bar-next-to-it. The other caps that are hard to read straightforwardly ar /IU/, while /JLKVW/ all look like they're not quite one base glyph but with diacritics and/or ligatures.

Jasper Michael de Waard's picture
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 - 10:32am
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Allright. I can live with swashcaps not being very easily legible or looking like they've got diacritics or ligatures on 'em, as long as they look good and are recognisable as the letter they're supposed to be. I'm wondering if I should persue this at all, 'cause it's much, much more work than I thought it would be. Here's a quick attempt at trying to make them a little easier to recognize. Underneath are the 'normal' italic caps used. Any feedback is, as always, much appreciated!

Cheers,
Jasper

Jasper Michael de Waard's picture
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 - 10:32am
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Don't look at the spacing/kerning. I know it's crap.

Martin Silvertant's picture
Joined: 31 Dec 2009 - 11:51pm
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The normal italic caps look also "sexy" but the rounded caps are also too dark compared to the lowercase.

I don't think there could be any mistakes about the swash caps now at this size. I'm bothered about the swash on 'U' though. That horizontal stroke feels unnatural and forced. It seems much more logical on the 'V' and 'W' for example.

Jasper Michael de Waard's picture
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 - 10:32am
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You're right about the rounded caps. I'll fix that.

I guess the swashcaps are settled then :-)
The U just doesn't really lend itself for a swashcap. No matter what I do, it looks forced. I've settled with that now.

Cheers!

Jasper Michael de Waard's picture
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1, 2 or 3?

Jasper Michael de Waard's picture
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Never mind. I've made my choice :-)

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Which has to be 1, right?

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The mine, would be the third one. But I would move the top serif a little to the right. Keep going.