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Here's my latest font in the making. It is inspired by a font ID request here on Typophile which went unsolved. Inspired in that I've taken the basic feel of that font and some of its characteristics (mostly the crescent shaped half ball terminals - I'm sure there must be a proper name for these) and 'transplanted' them onto a Plantin-based text font I was already working on. Please note the only thing I've taken from Plantin are the basic proportions and metrics (and for the time being, kerning, which I will no doubt scrap and start from scratch as the need arises). The outlines are all my own. What do you think? Specifically, what are people's thoughts on 'borrowing' metrics from other fonts. Surely this doesn't constitute any copyright infringement. I definitely remember reading an interview with a type designer recently (I forget her name) where she said she usually starts a new design from an existing one.
Anyway, any criticism is greatly appreciated. The aim is to make a readable text font (for print more than for screen) with a bit of character. I'm undecided on the Nike-esque swooshes, and I think the serifs being thicker than some of the thins maybe looks a little odd, but sometimes odd is good?!

PS. nicked the pangram from Craig Eliason - one of my favourites
| Attachment | Size |
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| Vulpa.pdf | 74.81 KB |
| Vulpa2.pdf | 48.78 KB |
| Vulpaitalic.pdf | 84.52 KB |
| VulpaBold1.pdf | 85.27 KB |
| VulpaBold2.pdf | 100.16 KB |
23 Aug 2011 — 3:40pm
Some earlier threads here:
http://typophile.com/node/15974
http://typophile.com/node/15838
23 Aug 2011 — 4:11pm
Just to be clear on this, I haven't opened Plantin and changed a few points. I've made a new font from scratch for which proportions were influenced by Plantin and kerning has been imported from Plantin (for the time being - I will definitely change it because it doesn't fit my design as well as 'homemade' kerning would). So I'm not trying to 'get away with' creating a new font quickly by modifying an existing one. I will freely admit that spacing is not my strong point and to this end, I have looked at how other fonts space glyphs as a starting point. There's obviously a lot more tweaking to be done on this one. In the end, I dare say it will bear little resemblance to Plantin. What do you think? Is it looking derivative? That is 100% not my intention. I give credit to designers who make revivals but that's not my thing. I think back to art lessons in school, where we would paint copies of old masters' works. The teachers weren't trying to create a bunch of forgers, but to make us identify their techniques and learn from them. That is what I'm trying to do here, but if appropriating similar spacing from pre-existing fonts is frowned upon, I'll simply keep the outlines and space them myself, for better or for worse. I hate spacing so much I might even consider iKern. Has anybody used this service? What did you think?
26 Aug 2011 — 1:55am
Anybody know if this kind of terminal has a name? It's like a cross between a ball terminal and a Nike swoosh.
26 Aug 2011 — 6:06am
Foxtail terminals!
26 Aug 2011 — 7:27am
Genius!
30 Aug 2011 — 5:23am
Foxtail terminals it is then - speaking of which, are the R and K tails too bushy?
30 Aug 2011 — 5:35am
If you could upload a pdf with text in paragraphs it would be easy to judge from a printout. They don't look quite delicate enough, and perhaps they could be more inclined. I like the direction of this, Plantin is really one of my favourites, and I really admire Kris Sowersby's Tiempos, which reimagines Plantin very crisply.
3 Sep 2011 — 9:08am
I've added pdf sample to the original post. I've removed all kerning and changed the spacing to my own, so now all that's left of Plantin is the proportions, and even they have changed somewhat. No curves, points, side-bearings etc. are now in any way 'borrowed'. I'm doing it the long way, and hopefully learning more that way!
As I said, there's no kerning for now so it should give a clearer picture of where I'm going wrong with my spacing.
Also added numerals since last posts and thinned out the bushy tails of K and R.
3 Sep 2011 — 10:24am
how's this eszett looking?
4 Sep 2011 — 4:07am
This is becoming rather delicious! The numerals are especially nice, and I love the 4. It may need a larger counter (you could thin the stem a little perhaps).
A few other observations:
/b/ is floating above the baseline. ('blind' in first para.) Or maybe it just needs more colour bottom left?
Tail of /j/ is crashing into the baseline serifs ('enjoy' in the third para).
/i/ and /r/ look dark.
/s/ is a little too curly for my taste — I'd open out the terminals a bit more and let the counters breathe.
1 might benefit from a wider head.
6 looks a little squashed.
/R/ is causing spacing problems with its outstretched leg, in the third para. I like the shape so perhaps it could just be rotated clockwise to bring its foot in slightly?
The name suits the design, nice.
8 Sep 2011 — 3:21pm
Added new pdf to original post. Updates to most of the above as per Bendy's suggestions.
Maybe I've not gone far enough with the s, but I kind of like curls.
Cut inner serif from Eszett to let it breathe a bit more.
Added more weight to the tittles of i and j. I think their previous size was a contributing factor to the apparent darkness of the stems. Might be wrong.
Taken a bit of weight from the arm of r where it meets stem.
Tucked in leg of R.
Lowered bottom left corner of b.
lowered and reduced in size terminal of j.
Slightly widened 6, but I think its apparent squashedness may have been more due to width of 5 - I'll have another look at this.
1 is widened top and bottom and the top serif changed shape a bit.
9 Sep 2011 — 2:25am
That right hand side-bearing on r is too small isn't it? Also I'm not a fan of the top serifs of T, and therefore E F and Z. Think I'm going to change it to be more like the top of 7. Updates shortly.
9 Sep 2011 — 3:19am
Here's the before and after of new top serifs. z 7 and 2 are unchanged - I put them in there to show how the serifs are now more uniform across the font.
On another subject, I'm starting to think about the italic, and was half considering a connected form, or at least semi connected. Does anyone know of any text faces with connected italics, or is this a stupid idea?
9 Sep 2011 — 3:49am
I personally preferred the curvy serifs on the E and F. The T looked weird for sure, but I think that's more about the openness than the shape. The serifs on Z need to be larger to balance the diagonal.
BTW remember to take my suggestions with plenty of salt and sugar, it's your design and I'm no pro. :)
9 Sep 2011 — 3:51am
Re connected italics, I'd ask *why* you want to do that. It's going to be very unfamiliar to most readers in a text face, and I imagine it wouldn't help readability. (Maybe I'm too sceptical.) It's worth testing it though.
9 Sep 2011 — 6:45am
I kind of liked the curly serifs on E and F but I think the new ones are better because they give the crossbar more room. I've decided on the above compromise - basically took out one anchor point and the serifs are now half way between before and after. Much happier with the T - it's starting to look more like a T and less like a palm tree!
BTW remember to take my suggestions with plenty of salt and sugar, it's your design and I'm no pro. :)
Clearly you are a pro! But seriously - I'm not going to go through it changing everything people suggest. Mostly it's a case in the critique section of people pointing things out which I'd notice myself if I was critiquing someone else's font, but when you stare at the same thing for too long you get blind to it.
The connected italics idea was just a thought really because my first stabs at drawing the italic look pretty rubbish. Trying to find a way of getting the 'foxiness' of the upright into it, but I've had a go at connected italics and this is definitely not the way to go with it.
9 Sep 2011 — 7:43am
Thumbs up on that "compromise" version.
1 Oct 2011 — 5:30am
It's been a while - finally got some time to come back to this. Still not braved an italic or bold yet, but have made a start on basic ligatures and the highly important foxtailed hederas
7 Oct 2011 — 7:46am
I've added new pdf to the first post, showing where I'm at with the italics. At the moment there is no kerning in either Roman or italic and only preliminary spacing in the italic (I think I'm just about happy with the spacing in the Roman)
I'm still looking closely at Plantin, but I've strayed further from it for the italic than I did for the Roman. I wanted the weight of the italic to be pretty similar to Roman. Plantin's italic looks a bit weedy to my eyes. Uppercase is mainly slanted Roman with some exceptions (K, R, Q) and slight adjustments.
Overall I'm pretty happy with it, but as always, and critique is greatly appreciated.
Dave
7 Oct 2011 — 1:02pm
æsc time. 4 options ~
1. most similar to Plantin
2. less teardroppy a
3. standard double storey
4. Rowland form rears its ugly head again
spacing and kerning not fixed for any of them!
7 Oct 2011 — 1:14pm
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7 Oct 2011 — 1:20pm
here they are in text - spacing is terrible for all of them, so try to ignore that
7 Oct 2011 — 2:30pm
It would be better to see them alongside a and e and possibly œ. But surely #1 is a clever way to give a distinct "a" feel to the italic æ. The only possible downside, if one could call it so, is that it’s the "a" part that does all the job, while the "e" one retains its shape unmodified.
7 Oct 2011 — 2:58pm
From the Millennial Oldstyle post where this cropped up, I don't think there are many occasions where ae and oe appear much in the same language, so ambiguities leading to confusing the two are rare. I'm leaning to #2. #1 just looks a little strange to me - almost like a swash small cap R
7 Oct 2011 — 3:13pm
#1 just looks a little strange to me - almost like a swash small cap R
Now that you’ve pointed it out, I cannot un-see it ;-)
#2 is beautiful, but it looks to me almost just a cursive a.
I still think you should try to “sacrifice” a bit the shape of e.
7 Oct 2011 — 4:28pm
Well, you don't read or write it daily, do you? Of these #2 is the only half-decent option. This is how a you learn to write a lowercase æ in school.
7 Oct 2011 — 4:29pm
But the execution needs some work ... Just sayin'.
10 Oct 2011 — 7:28am
How about this one? Moved the centre 'stem' to the left a bit to balance the a and e portions better
11 Jan 2012 — 4:16pm
Any news about this? I wanted to do something VERY similar for a while now
11 Jan 2012 — 5:05pm
I'm working on the bold at the moment. Hoping to have it finished by the end of January. It will only be regular, italic and bold. Maybe semibold too but no bold italic. I'll post updates soon.
11 Jan 2012 — 5:22pm
The foxiest tails belonging to:
http://typographica.org/2009/typeface-reviews/ff-pitu/
hhp
12 Jan 2012 — 5:10am
I saw that just the other day Hrant. Love the ffi ligature
19 Jan 2012 — 1:48am
As promised, Bold weight is now in process. I've attached new pdf to initial post which shows bold and also italic swashes. Here's image of the bold:
22 Jan 2012 — 7:05am
I've added another pdf to initial post which shows the three styles together. I struggled to get enough weight into the bold /s/ but looking at it now I think I may have gone too far! Anything else glaring? I think I could do with narrowing a few of the italic uppercase characters.
2 Feb 2012 — 9:47am
Looks damn gorgeous! I think the capitals are a bit too dark compared to the lowercase though.
2 Feb 2012 — 12:05pm
I think in the italic they are fractionally too dark (especially some of the swashes) but I don't see it in the regular or bold. I'm going to make the italic uppercase slightly narrower anyway - at the moment they're pretty much slanted romans so too wide I think.
2 Feb 2012 — 5:39pm
> but I don't see it in the regular or bold
I see it in all three styles. The /C/ in Bold looks right but most other capital letters look slightly too dark.
Did you settle on the design of the ae character yet? I really like the texture of the text in #4. I'm not sure if ae in italic should really match the one-story design of /a/ but if you insist on that then I think the latest design you posted works really well.
7 Feb 2012 — 2:15am
I'm pretty happy with weight of uppercase in regular and bold - there's a few that need lightening a touch (W especially) but all in all I think they're fine on test prints.
The last ae was the one I settled on.
30 Mar 2012 — 12:08pm
Coming soon....
30 Mar 2012 — 10:34pm
Proviso: I'm not a type designer, or any kind of designer. It would be reasonable to ignore my comments. I'll say it, and then you can ignore it:
I like the updated T, but still would prefer crisper corners. Just seems un-T-like, even distracting maybe. I want the bar to feel like a bar and not a canoe. The upper corners on the E and F are more pointed--why not make the T's corners at least as sharp as them, maybe even more so?
1 Apr 2012 — 2:47am
exciting :-)
4 Apr 2012 — 6:10am
This reminds me of a Plantin-ish font I saw in scan of a very old book. Actually it was attempted to be ID'd here, but no one could find an exact match. Now there's a closer one! (haha!)
9 Apr 2012 — 8:44am
This is the ID request that inspired me - http://typophile.com/node/83962
not an old book I don't think but Plantin-ish with nice curly terminals
10 Apr 2012 — 11:03am
Vulpa looks nice, and that promotional tableau looks professional to me (as an amateur).
But I'm sorry to say that it was the link to FF Pitu that really blew me away. Those |f|s! swoon