help me - if you can!

my name is Juraj and looking for two fonts below:

1. [[

2. [[]]

I spent too much time looking for these fonts and this is my last hope. Therefore I believe that someone will help me.

thanks in advance,



I think both of them are custom works or modified fonts...

"OUTDOOR" is based on Ache Extended Bold - ©1995-2001 Arts & Letters Corporation

while "commencal" is based on Positec Italic - © 2003