Metrics appear sound in Fontlab but display poorly in InDesign

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Metrics appear sound in Fontlab but display poorly in InDesign
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Hi,

As I was putting the finishing touches on this font I noticed it was displaying differently between Fontlab Studio 5's metrics window and InDesign. In the image below the first type samples are from InDesign, with a screengrab from Fontlab pasted beneath to show how the font appears in it's metrics window. The yellow dots indicate the frustrating bits.

I'm stumped, this is my first font and I have been teaching myself the application as I go, any ideas? Assistance devoid of unfamiliar terminology will could most valuable. ;D

Two things which might be relevant - first, being unsure of all the kerning rules (and slightly masochistic) I kerned the font character by character. There are a lot of rules. Thousands. Also, when generating the font I noticed Binary was giving me a Stack error, so I used the Compiled option.

Additional info on the font's design is available here:
http://www.behance.net/gallery/Broken-Straights-%28font%29/808686

Criticism welcomed.

Thanx

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Do you have a kern OT feature? Different kerning values in metrics table and kern feature may cause problems. Also verify if InDesign is using metrics instead of optical kerning method.

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It seems like you don't have the kern OT feature.

Probably I am wrong, but first you should delete all kerning and organize it in groups.
Your W,H,D,1,6,! seem to have the common left side. 3,5,6,8 seem to have the same right side. You have overkerned the HU (and maybe AR) already, so it would be easier to fix such problems making all once again, but in more sufficient way.

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Thanks. I'll look into the kern OT feature. Wasn't aware of it. Won't be deleting all my kerning unless absolutely necc... Heck no!

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Those guys are talking about an old version of a different program (Fontographer).

Have you tried reading the "Editing Metrics" section of the FontLab manual? Everything you need to know about spacing fonts is there. Just a guess, but it seems like you're trying to learn FontLab without reading the manual. You really kind of need to do that if you value your time and sanity. (Apologies if you have read it. Also, apologies to those who have read it and have gone insane.)

Also, you seem to be trying to control the spacing almost entirely with kerning. That's not how it's supposed to work and you'll go crazy trying to do it like that.

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Definetly, Broke. You seem to use kerning instead of metrics. Use kerning to solve problems that cannot be fixed with metrics, not to fix the metrics.
Anyway, learn about the metrics groups and kern classes.

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Will do. Already kerned all the pairs tho. All of em. Even the special characters. aaa aba aca ada right up to the umlauts, all that. Kern classes are for poussies - the font looks dope... in the metrics window at least.

Soo - there's no switch I can flick to get what I'm looking at in the FontLab metrics window to come out the same on the other end then? Snap. Spent a few minutes on this thing now. InDesign isn't set to optical, and everything previews great except for a few pieces of punctuation and the gap after the A, which is a major.

There is no overkerning in this glyph-set froo, it's all about choosing the spots where they actually get to touch. ;)

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I even got the accents to sit themselves on top of the letters where they are supposed to be, for all my European peeps! Theres gotta be a way to get this out.