Celcius (grotesque typeface)

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Martin Silvertant's picture
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This is Celcius, a grotesque typeface which mixes a mechanical construction with humanist quirks. Celcius will consist of 7 weights plus italics and small-caps.

Celcius preview v.9:

Celcius v.10:
http://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2012/02/12/celcius-v10/celcius-v10.pdf

Celcius regular numerals & small-caps v.10:
http://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2012/02/12/celcius-v10-regular-numerals/celciu...

Hrant H Papazian's picture
Joined: 3 May 2000 - 11:00am
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Could you show the hybrid nums within mixed-case text?

hhp

Martin Silvertant's picture
Joined: 31 Dec 2009 - 11:51pm
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I hope this is sufficient. I have the letters in Illustrator so I have to build sentences letter by letter.

I personally think the hybrids work well but I might have to scrap the oldstyle.

Hrant H Papazian's picture
Joined: 3 May 2000 - 11:00am
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Actually in the context of that funky "a" I'm liking the OS nums.

What about the hybrids though?

hhp

Martin Silvertant's picture
Joined: 31 Dec 2009 - 11:51pm
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Those are the hybrids. The oldstyle numerals are taller.

Hrant H Papazian's picture
Joined: 3 May 2000 - 11:00am
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?
Conventional OS nums have bodies that are x-height,
while "hybrid" nums have bodies that are taller.

hhp

Martin Silvertant's picture
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Seems I made the wrong kind of hybrids then. These are the sets I made:

1 – Caps numerals
2 – Oldstyle numerals (= x-height to cap height)
3 – Hybrids (= slightly taller than x-height)
4 – Small-caps numerals (= x-height)

Hrant H Papazian's picture
Joined: 3 May 2000 - 11:00am
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OK, I guess #1 is lining (all nums same height) with the caps.
What you're calling #3 is fine (although I personally prefer
it more than "slightly") but what you're showing above has
nums exactly the same height as the lc x-height...
And #4 is normally called OldStyle.
As for #2, I don't understand what they look like.

BTW, in your original sample I'm actually seeing two flavors of hybrid! :-/

hhp

Martin Silvertant's picture
Joined: 31 Dec 2009 - 11:51pm
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#1 is indeed lining. #4 is not oldstyle though; those are more like lining numerals for the small-capss/lowercase (the small-caps are x-height size; call them 'petit caps' if you will).

As far as I'm aware it's common for the oldstyle numerals to fit within the x-height with ascending numerals at cap height and descending numerals at lowercase descender height, like I did in #2. They were too unstable for such a mechanical grotesque in my opinion so I designed these quasi-lining lc numerals (#3), hence 'hybrid'.

Should I also design a set of hybrid numerals for the capitals? Initially I wanted to scrap a few sets of numerals but I actually don't mind having such diverse sets.

Martin Silvertant's picture
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> BTW, in your original sample I'm actually seeing two flavors of hybrid! :-/
What do you mean? Which original sample?

To clarify, in the text sample (Garafont was born in 1963.) I used the hybrid #3; not the oldstyle #2.

Hrant H Papazian's picture
Joined: 3 May 2000 - 11:00am
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Man I'm confused.

I think part of the problem might be the way
we're talking about height, as in the overall
height versus what I call the "body" height
(which is like the bottom of the "6").

hhp

Martin Silvertant's picture
Joined: 31 Dec 2009 - 11:51pm
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I'm still not sure what you refer to as body height but that's fine.

As far as I'm aware the default numeral sets for a typeface to be included are #1 (lining) and #2 (oldstyle). Oldstyle wasn't working for the small-caps and lowercase so I designed #3 (call it small oldstyle if you want) and #4 (lining numerals for the small-caps).

So, #1 is designed to work with the capitals, #4 to work with the small-caps and #3 to use in longer texts. #2 (oldstyle) is there just because I consider oldstyle to be a standard numeral set, even though I honestly wouldn't use this one myself.

Now there is room for one more numeral set which I think is what you were calling 'hybrid'. These will essentially be like #3 but at capital height; a cross between #1 and #2.

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A little example from an existing typeface might help:

Hrant H Papazian's picture
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Thank you for doing that!
With "Oldstyle" = "hanging".

BTW, for completeness we might add "3/4 Lining" to those four.

hhp

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Thanks for the image. That's all I've been saying though, however my hybrids are smaller, hence I called them small-cap hybrids.

Would people find it useful if I make another set of numerals like the hybrid in the picture? I think then I would have the full range of possibilities of the numerals.

Any words on Celcius?

Martin Silvertant's picture
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I just submitted two PDFs. One contains the main UC and LC letters in thin, regular and black. The other contains the numerals and small-caps in regular.

Jasper Michael de Waard's picture
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 - 10:32am
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Get rid of the double story /g/ and the alternate /U/.

/m n h and alikes/ look too dark on top.

Some minor stroke thickness inconsitensies in the light.

Cheers!

Martin Silvertant's picture
Joined: 31 Dec 2009 - 11:51pm
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Why get rid of the /g/ and /U/?

m, n, h etc. are darker on top on purpose. I don't want it to look too geometric. Those are the humanist influences, which I think become more apparent in the thin. Perhaps those are the minor stroke inconsistencies you're speaking of?

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Joined: 6 Aug 2008 - 2:00pm
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There's something "weird" about the "a" of the regular style.
When I look it on the thin style, it works well, the reading "flows".
But when I read the word of above "temperature" there's something that bothers.

See that when you write "I'm a scientist", the "a" still works, because the reader can't see the loop of the eye, which the regular has.

Why don't you try a more simple "a"? like http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/linotype/din-next/pro-regular/glyphs/536654/66

Or maybe, if you want to keep it with that "oval eye", find another way. Right now I believe it's the letter which looks most informal. It needs to be just a little more geometric...
Maybe there's a little too much air above the "eye" of that "a".

That's my opinion, hope it helps!
Best,
Lian.-

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I like the hybrid numerals. Also your word spaces are really rather wide.