Help identifying two original font pre-customisation

Any ideas on what the original was before 'treatment'? The first one is easy to see enough, but the second I also tried photoshopping to see if the underlying lines give more indication.



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I tried the site you recommended for the first but to no avail, similar results came up using WhatTheFont too, but characteristics like the K and R don't match. Any more ideas?

The R and the K have been customized.

Looking at first sample, I don’t think the font untertook much of a “treatment”: it looks like one of those that reproduce a semi-random set of wood type blocks, like this one:
There are several out there.