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Hey guys...
I need to redraw this lovley logo for a client. Any idea what typeface we're looking at here?
The size is huge, I know...my apologies for that, but maybe it will be better for identifying.
Thanks in advance...

10 Feb 2005 — 8:25am
Imprint MT Shadow with some weird use of stroke effects?
10 Feb 2005 — 8:32am
The bottom one could be a very beaten-up Castellar
10 Feb 2005 — 8:34am
The lower lettering is Monotype Castellar that has been bolded to (almost) obliterate the open lettering.
10 Feb 2005 — 8:36am
Mike, are you getting slower or is it just me?
10 Feb 2005 — 8:39am
Both!
Remember, I'm almost 61 years old!
Good work Jan!
10 Feb 2005 — 1:46pm
Thanks to much, guys!