Typeface and or Psychological quiz....

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Typeface and or Psychological quiz....
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Psychological quiz for the day....Is the top sentence made from the same typeface (aka font) as the bottom sentence?...and if you think they are not, exactly what is the difference? And better yet, what is the top line typeface and what is the bottom line typeface? Winners will get some cyber bars of lead to pour their own type :) :) :)

Hrant H Papazian's picture
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Is the bottom one Starling?

hhp

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Nope, the bottom is not Starling....

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Bottom is Bitstream cyberbit, I think.

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You’ll get more responses if you use the “Insert image” link located below the bottom left corner of the Comment box.

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I noticed that the capital R is visibly different in the bottom row. Looking at some typefaces I have fonts for that resemble Times, I found that TITUS Cyberbit Basic has an R of that type. Which is derived from Bitstream's Cyberbit, so someone else already had the right answer.

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"Service to the community" (clickable):

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The bottom is indeed TITUS Cyberbit, and although it is derived from Bitstream Cyberbit, it is different, it has different leading etc and other differences. I have both the older Bitstream Cyberbit and the later TITUS Cyberbit, and TITUS is much better IMHO.

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All the letters of the two are notably different. Even the most similar-looking ones have slightly different stroke widths, or terminal angles, or terminal curves... :)

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Why not copy the source exactly, rather than produce a near miss that’s not as good?

Hrant H Papazian's picture
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TITUS is much better

Could you say exactly how?

BTW, wasn't the original Cyberbit withdrawn? Does anybody know why, and what implications that might have for its derivatives?

hhp

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Here is another pair (click for larger image):

[Hint: it has to do with maths.]

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The bottom appears to be thicker horizontally, but not consistently.

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I will post an example showing the 2 different versions, since after my image was inserted into the thread by someone, I can for some reason no longer attach images to a posting here, and the insert image command will not work...I will post a new thread with an attached image showing both Cyberbit versions at 24 point. There you can see the differences in how the type fills space....

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It's because we are out to get you, zeno.

Or it might be because you have spaces in the filename of the pic you're trying to post.

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@Michel Boyer:
STIX General on the bottom?

There seems to be the smaller difference in the capital R that the image shows...

From your hint, I was instead thinking of Times 569.

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It is STIX general indeed, that comes installed with MacTeX 2012 (and I guess, more generally, texlive 2012) and that must thus satisfy the EULA requirements for that distribution.

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STIX is very close to TITUS Cyberbit, but the inner stroke of the small a is slightly thinner in STIX compared to Titus....one can only really tell at pretty large sizes though.

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One way to see the difference is to put one letter on top of the other, transform to paths, and then combine. In this example, the red is STIX, the black is TITUS. After applying the combine, the common parts become white and what is left is the (symmetric) difference, that I made blue.


(Here I used InkScape).

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With a little more work, we can let the intersection be white and keep the colors.

That way we can see where TITUS got more ink with respect to STIX and conversely.

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I only saw the opened "e" and the shortened serifs in the second typeface. What is the point of this?

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Nice work on the bicolor knockout display font concept, Michel!

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Thanks!