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Hello all--
I've got an in-progress here that needs your eyes. It's based on a hastily designed logo for a paper sculpture artist that I thought had some potential as a full set of letters. It's a bit of a mash-up of different elements but here's the main points I want: display face, high contrast, flared serifs and abrupt wedge serifs, large x-height, and some other thin, swashy elements and unconventional forms are ok with me since I envision it being used at large sizes. I'd also like to make light and ultra weights too.

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I Quite like it. Especially the lowercase.
Not sure about the “algerian” treatment of |A| and |H|. Also, |R|’s leg looks a bit wobbly.

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I'd reexamine the |k|: Its weights don't interact well at the crossing, which leads the eye to just drop through instead of following the loop.

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Full of Live!

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So I want the "thins" to be super sharp. So much so that I'll have some of these joins to not even meet. How does this look to you? (new /k/ also included)

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New k is good.

I suggest swapping the stronger joins with the disappearing ones whenever there is a subtle threat of ambiguity, to make it clearer that "ab" is not "uh".

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I don't think these new thin joints would cause any substantial conflict. The letter shapes are well defined and distinct. But I would trust my own eye, esse est percipi ;-)

Ditto, I like the new /k/. The top has more stress than before, it became almost a bit squarish. I suppose you wanted the squarishness of the capitals to recur.

The bottom left of /s/ seems too thin.

I would have liked an /O/ more in keeping with /C/ and /B/. Generally, I notice two different curve styles in your capital alphabet (and both work as seen in the mixed-case setting). Right now I like more the vibe of the lowercase than the uppercase, I don't know why, but it may be because of the two divergent styles. I like how /c/ and /C/ relate to each other. In short, my question is if the all-caps setting works as well as the mixed-case.

The triangle serif of /K/ looks too big.

I like what you did with the /q/.

Keep up the enjoyable work!

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Some more refinements. Mostly to the uppercase. It's important to me for it to work well in all caps.
-More tapered triangle serifs (see /E/F/)
-no more goofy crossbars
-a more conventional /s/
-new legs for /K/R/k/
-reshaped /G/

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Some initial numbers. Although I think I might save these as alternates. They're a bit "swashy."

Hrant H Papazian's picture
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With super pretty nums like that you'll have to rethink the alphabetics! :-)
Or at least have some killer alts.

hhp

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Here's my first take on the light weight. My biggest concern is getting the "flare" serifs to work well with the more traditional serifs. The /A/ and /V/ are good case studies of letters that need to reconcile the two.

Also, I changed the name to Deja.

Deja 01

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I don't know if the disconnected stems of /M/,/N/,/V/,/W/ are working for the regular weight. In the light weight they definitely look weird to my eyes, however. They don't disappear smoothly like the thins of the lowercase. I can understand it does not make much sense to thin out those stems "smoothly", as they are already hairlines as they approach the diagonal. Not sure how one could solve this...

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How is this treatment? /W/ is already like this.

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New /g/. It's probably worth looking into an alternate /a/ as well.

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Yes, that caps now look good. In /N/ maybe a bit too dark, but I like the joints you've come up with.

And, oh boy, that /g/ shouts "glamour"! Nice details. The counter is somewhat squarish, but you could leave it like that.

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Oooh, glamour. That's where I was seeing this going. :) And nothing wrong with some squarish counters. I've been looking at some of the Bodoni iterations and I'm surprised just how flattened those curves are. Here's all of them, plus the new /a/ and /g/.

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I changed the name to Deja

Not the best choice to avoid confusion:
http://dejavu-fonts.org/
http://www.myfonts.com/search/deja/

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Good direction. The thickening of stems at the bottom of /V/ and /W/ looks a little clunky to me. A sharper point to those vertices might fit the face better. And top half of bold /a/ looks too light.

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New V, W, a...

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Bttom of V and W could be even pointier. Pay attention to the overshoot when you make them pointy though! The bottom of the bowl of /a/ seems a bit too disconnected from the rest.

If you're really going glamour, it might be worth a try to go even lighter, and/or even darker. Keep it up!

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This looks very nice, Galen!

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Yup, I'm still working on this. In case anyone's still curious, here's a little bit of what's going on.

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Nice idea for the dollar sign.

The light /S/ has slightly dark serifs.

/2/ has a rethickening in it's curl, unlike /ß/ and /&/. I suppose /3/ and /5/ echoe that feature. It looks good, but makes the glyph too interesting IMO, rendering /9/ flat next to it.

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Looking great! Can you impart some of the grace of the bold /R/ leg to the light /R/ leg? The latter looks stiff.
Sides of bold /t/'s stem also look a bit rigid.

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Thanks, I was wondering about that. With the /R/ leg more relaxed, what to do with the /K/? Deciding between these two...

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New /2/...

Hrant H Papazian's picture
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Very pretty, without being cloying.

hhp

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Perhaps the last |A|'s crossbar is a bit stiff compared to the flowing quality of the rest?

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I feel the /2/ is leaning backwards. Shifting the bottom serif a tad to the right would do. Looking great.

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I like the original /a. The new one not so much.

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Just thought i'd drop in to say i'm loving this. Very nice!

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In my opinion, I think the crossbars (at /A/, /t/, /eszett/...) might be slightly thicker, they appear too thin to me (in comparison to the other lines). The /A/ crossbar disturbs me a bit with its geometrical straightness (it makes the left "overshoot" I guess).
Maybe I would add some extra volume to the legs at /R/ and /K/ letters to compensate missing ending serifs in order to add more stability. (light version)
And one more point: The dollar sign is missing contrast at upper right and lower left side (the ending swashes) (for me)
That's all from my side :)
Regards

Jan