Sure. And it's no different than any other field. "What kind of idiot would use/buy a __________?" Fill in the blank with PC, Mac, Ford, Jaguar, Teflon pan, cast-iron pan, etc. etc. - Herb
The saturation of type snobbery is overblown by the general public. "Fonts" are a universal humor shorthand for "stuff that doesn't matter." Having any opinions at all about type makes you a type snob. It offends people that someone thinks about typefaces. People who readily acknowledge a common understanding of what is good or bad taste in music, and who will pick apart the slightest deviations from their ideals in a person's physical appearance, will deliberately use "hated" fonts "just to piss off hipsters."
Being a snob is different from being knowledgeable. A snob is someone who offends others by his/her air of superiority. A snob can be knowledgeable or can be clueless; it's their attitude that makes them a snob.
Knowing that a "font" is a particular style and or type size "within" a "typeface" makes one a bit snobbish I guess....Most use the word font where the word typeface should be used. But of course all here already know that ;) ;) ;)
Yeah, I think font/typeface is mostly a lost cause; "font" is used by most folks even when it isn't the correct term.
And this has nothing to do with typography, but my pet peeve is folks that use "less" when they should use "fewer" (such as "I have less books than I used to"). I even see well-educated folks making that mistake, so I guess the rules have just changed over time.
It's hard to blame people for using the word font to mean typeface. Programs don't have typeface menus, you don't install typefaces, and none of these exist: TypefaceShop, TypefaceTypefaces, MyTypefaces, Typeface Bureau, TypefaceHaus, Typefaceographer, TypefaceLab, DaTypeface, Typefaces.com, RoboTypeface, etc., etc.
I think we're stuck with font, and I think that's fine.
Also, when writing articles about... fonts :-) it's actually useful to leverage this ambiguity in order to avoid repetitive-sounding terms. Sometimes you can't avoid "typeface" and sometimes you can't avoid "font" but often it's pretty OK to mix things up.
I've heard that typeface represents a font with multiple weights while a font that has one weight is simply a font. Who knows. Fonts and typeface mean the same thing to me.
For me, the distinction between typeface and font is always present, because I tend to be talking about one or the other in a fairly precise way. Most people are only ever talking about typefaces -- 'I really like Helvetica: it's a great font' -- so don't need to make the distinction. If you are in the business of designing type and making fonts, the distinction is useful and aids clear communication; that isn't snobbery.
Nothing new in type snobbery.
Type culture, and design culture in general, has long looked down its nose at "trade".
For the longest time, book types have held the privileged position.
For instance, 19 th century sans serif (and other commercial genres) were omitted from type histories until quite recently.
Similarly, the historicist movement of the early 20th century, which completely dominated graphic design, has played second fiddle in most design narratives to modernism, which was rarely seen in mass media.
I get that. But my point is that ordinary people see the word "font" much more than "typeface", and that's even true when they look at the names of the places selling type. "Font" is also much more common than "typeface" on computer user interfaces and in application menus. Microsoft Word doesn't have a "Typeface" menu, it has a "Font" menu.
I'm not saying it's not an important distinction, just that "typeface" has become somewhat marginalized compared to "font", whether we like it or not, and that it's probably too late to do anything about it.
By the way, I don't think the word "type" is in the same danger.
I thought long and hard for a typetastic name and url which I thought would cross over several diiferent communities who where already aware of letter shapes. I chose ... font rageous.
So as I'm setting up my website developing awesome visuals, I continue to approach several, and very divergent, communities ranging from adult entertainment, to classical music, to grocery stores, etc.. All of them know what a font is (prolly thanks to using their own PCs or whatever), but not so many knew/know what a typeface is.
Personally I find most people, even creatives, very unaware about fonts and type. So, no, I don't come across a lot of type snobs. Except the ones that always seem to want Copperplate.
Compared to where? Well, I have it on good authority that Vulcans find Arial to be a perfectly logical choice for documents of a straightforward and non-prejudicial informational nature.
Speaking for myself, I am always going to regard "typeface" as a practical description for a design family of raised mechanical letters that press or strike directly against paper. The term is useful and correct as it relates to letterpress or typewriter printing, but it is not more educated or professional than "font" when applied to photo or digital typography.
Actually, it's quite the opposite. In metal type terminology, a font is a set of letters of a particular style, in a particular size: e.g., 10 pt. Clarendon Bold. 12 pt Clarendon Bold would be another font. Since the digital versions can render the typeface in a very wide variety of different sizes, "font" simply doesn't work...
31 Aug 2012 — 9:11am
Sure. And it's no different than any other field. "What kind of idiot would use/buy a __________?" Fill in the blank with PC, Mac, Ford, Jaguar, Teflon pan, cast-iron pan, etc. etc. - Herb
31 Aug 2012 — 9:26am
It would be a good title for a new typography-related social network! ;-)
31 Aug 2012 — 12:13pm
Of course once there are too many it won't be worth it. Meta-snobbism.
hhp
31 Aug 2012 — 10:13am
The saturation of type snobbery is overblown by the general public. "Fonts" are a universal humor shorthand for "stuff that doesn't matter." Having any opinions at all about type makes you a type snob. It offends people that someone thinks about typefaces. People who readily acknowledge a common understanding of what is good or bad taste in music, and who will pick apart the slightest deviations from their ideals in a person's physical appearance, will deliberately use "hated" fonts "just to piss off hipsters."
31 Aug 2012 — 12:14pm
Being a snob is different from being knowledgeable. A snob is someone who offends others by his/her air of superiority. A snob can be knowledgeable or can be clueless; it's their attitude that makes them a snob.
31 Aug 2012 — 12:31pm
Knowing that a "font" is a particular style and or type size "within" a "typeface" makes one a bit snobbish I guess....Most use the word font where the word typeface should be used. But of course all here already know that ;) ;) ;)
31 Aug 2012 — 1:23pm
Yeah, I think font/typeface is mostly a lost cause; "font" is used by most folks even when it isn't the correct term.
And this has nothing to do with typography, but my pet peeve is folks that use "less" when they should use "fewer" (such as "I have less books than I used to"). I even see well-educated folks making that mistake, so I guess the rules have just changed over time.
31 Aug 2012 — 2:08pm
Fools can be found anywhere; pretensions are pretensions, no matter what pretense they pretend…
31 Aug 2012 — 5:53pm
It's hard to blame people for using the word font to mean typeface. Programs don't have typeface menus, you don't install typefaces, and none of these exist: TypefaceShop, TypefaceTypefaces, MyTypefaces, Typeface Bureau, TypefaceHaus, Typefaceographer, TypefaceLab, DaTypeface, Typefaces.com, RoboTypeface, etc., etc.
I think we're stuck with font, and I think that's fine.
31 Aug 2012 — 5:56pm
Also, when writing articles about... fonts :-) it's actually useful to leverage this ambiguity in order to avoid repetitive-sounding terms. Sometimes you can't avoid "typeface" and sometimes you can't avoid "font" but often it's pretty OK to mix things up.
hhp
31 Aug 2012 — 7:24pm
I've heard that typeface represents a font with multiple weights while a font that has one weight is simply a font. Who knows. Fonts and typeface mean the same thing to me.
31 Aug 2012 — 8:01pm
Really? Typefaces.com doesn't exist? Someone snatch it up fast!
(… I sort of thought H&FJ might have grabbed it.)
1 Sep 2012 — 12:39am
They use typography.com and Jeremy Tankard has '.net'. It seems strange that no one has taken it though.
1 Sep 2012 — 8:36am
More evidence that "font" has won.
1 Sep 2012 — 9:49am
For me, the distinction between typeface and font is always present, because I tend to be talking about one or the other in a fairly precise way. Most people are only ever talking about typefaces -- 'I really like Helvetica: it's a great font' -- so don't need to make the distinction. If you are in the business of designing type and making fonts, the distinction is useful and aids clear communication; that isn't snobbery.
1 Sep 2012 — 9:52am
Mark: ...and none of these exist: TypefaceShop, TypefaceTypefaces, MyTypefaces, Typeface Bureau, TypefaceHaus, Typefaceographer, TypefaceLab, DaTypeface, Typefaces.com, RoboTypeface, etc.
These are all businesses for selling licenses to fonts or tools for making fonts, so what is your point? Fonts are the product.
John Hudson, Tiro Typeworks. :)
1 Sep 2012 — 10:01am
Nothing new in type snobbery.
Type culture, and design culture in general, has long looked down its nose at "trade".
For the longest time, book types have held the privileged position.
For instance, 19 th century sans serif (and other commercial genres) were omitted from type histories until quite recently.
Similarly, the historicist movement of the early 20th century, which completely dominated graphic design, has played second fiddle in most design narratives to modernism, which was rarely seen in mass media.
1 Sep 2012 — 11:06am
I get that. But my point is that ordinary people see the word "font" much more than "typeface", and that's even true when they look at the names of the places selling type. "Font" is also much more common than "typeface" on computer user interfaces and in application menus. Microsoft Word doesn't have a "Typeface" menu, it has a "Font" menu.
I'm not saying it's not an important distinction, just that "typeface" has become somewhat marginalized compared to "font", whether we like it or not, and that it's probably too late to do anything about it.
By the way, I don't think the word "type" is in the same danger.
1 Sep 2012 — 12:04pm
^+1!
I thought long and hard for a typetastic name and url which I thought would cross over several diiferent communities who where already aware of letter shapes. I chose ... font rageous.
So as I'm setting up my website developing awesome visuals, I continue to approach several, and very divergent, communities ranging from adult entertainment, to classical music, to grocery stores, etc.. All of them know what a font is (prolly thanks to using their own PCs or whatever), but not so many knew/know what a typeface is.
n.
2 Sep 2012 — 7:34am
You make typefaces and sell fonts. No prob.
2 Sep 2012 — 7:40am
No, you design typefaces, make fonts, and sell licenses.
2 Sep 2012 — 8:17am
Close enough for the average web moron, though.
2 Sep 2012 — 8:30am
Personally I find most people, even creatives, very unaware about fonts and type. So, no, I don't come across a lot of type snobs. Except the ones that always seem to want Copperplate.
2 Sep 2012 — 8:36pm
"Is it just me or does it seem like there are a lot of type snobs in this world."
Compared to where?
2 Sep 2012 — 9:09pm
Good point. Equestria? They seem happy with pictographs and greeking.
3 Sep 2012 — 4:30am
Dennis,
Compared to where? Well, I have it on good authority that Vulcans find Arial to be a perfectly logical choice for documents of a straightforward and non-prejudicial informational nature.
3 Sep 2012 — 6:42am
Is it wrong to educate those who use the terms in the wrong way?
3 Sep 2012 — 8:32am
Chris—
Do you have an "unlimited" calling plan? Are those "free" offers really free*?
3 Sep 2012 — 2:11pm
Speaking for myself, I am always going to regard "typeface" as a practical description for a design family of raised mechanical letters that press or strike directly against paper. The term is useful and correct as it relates to letterpress or typewriter printing, but it is not more educated or professional than "font" when applied to photo or digital typography.
3 Sep 2012 — 2:12pm
@processcamera
Actually, it's quite the opposite. In metal type terminology, a font is a set of letters of a particular style, in a particular size: e.g., 10 pt. Clarendon Bold. 12 pt Clarendon Bold would be another font. Since the digital versions can render the typeface in a very wide variety of different sizes, "font" simply doesn't work...