Gameloft used a fan copy/mod of existing copyrighted/commercial font in an upcoming game

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Neil Caldwell's picture
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These days my favorite word that I read type designers use with impunity is ... revival.

And these same type designers have the nerve to attach a EULA to their ... revival.

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Democracy rulz!!!

n.

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If you'd been paying attention you'd realize that I've railed against "artiste" type designers more than anybody else here

Well, as a small dig, I can't read ALL your posts. Gotta work sometimes.

But what did I miss? I thought you were saying type design is a work of art, I thought Khaled was saying it is a craft -- tool building, in my words.

Where'd I go wrong?

Hrant H Papazian's picture
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Charles, maybe start by actually reading the posts I made just to this thread. And then resist to urge to prop up a straw man to hurl things at.

Art is selfish, and to me only interesting to the artist. Craft exists to serve others, which is exactly my cup of tea. But seeing Craft as some sort of soulless drudgery is exactly what the flaming artistes want.

HOWEVER: There is no pure Art or pure Craft; one might imagine an axis with those extremes, with any creative act sitting somewhere on that axis. So any creative act draws inspiration -in a traditional artistic way- from its environment; this does not equate to plagiarism, by any level-headed definition of those terms. Khaled's view comes off as conveniently absolutist. Typical so-called "open-source" agenda-driven obfuscation. He wants me to quote a percentage?! That's what I call shallow. And really, "if she thought it was wrong she wouldn’t have done it in the first place"?! What planet are we on again?

I myself revel in shades of gray, and to me things that are a much darker shade of gray deserve more corrective effort. Duh.

BTW: http://typophile.com/node/99015

hhp

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Art is selfish, and to me only interesting to the artist. Craft exists to serve others, which is exactly my cup of tea.

Everything done is done in vain. The artist who paints a portrait, or a type designer who crafts a typeface ...there ain't no difference.

Street cred is gained only from being as raw as possible ...honesty isn't communal.

Rebel pride don't come cheap.

n.

Hrant H Papazian's picture
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Everything an individual does is a balance between what he wants, and social responsibility. Each of us does our own balancing act. And if we collectively don't have enough people leaning towards the latter, the former ends up suffering, for all of us.

hhp

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A thread in which I recently participated concerned a typeface that someone expressed shock was still being offered for sale, despite being claimed to be an imitation of another typeface. In that case, it seemed clear to me that the "imitation" was merely a typeface belonging to the same genre; similar, but in no way a rip-off.

Looking into this case further, I see that here nothing of the sort applies. The two faces in question were clearly based only on the source typeface, not its sources - and they are, despite that, poor quality copies.

So, while I might still question whether there is any illegality involved, I definitely do agree that Gameloft ought not to be using a typeface of that sort instead of the real thing. In fact, if they can't negotiate reasonable terms for the use of the real thing (as they would be using it to create artwork, not to let users type words in the game, I presume, they wouldn't need to embed the font and enter into the stratospheric realms of that sort of licensing... but maybe they would need to embed it, say for scores and the like - I can't believe they're doing this to save $20) they would be better off buying a copy of Fontographer, and designing their own similar face.

Which could consist of one thing that Generation B, the real thing, seems to be conspicuously lacking for a face of this type... alternate characters.

(EDIT: Visiting the Harold's Fonts page, I see I was unfair; they do have "big" and "small" alternates for all the letters, at least.)

A face could have the same "feel" as that one but with different letters large, small, wedged left, wedged right, displaced upwards, displaced downwards, and so on and so forth.

Incidentally, I thought I'd look around to see other faces that were similar, but I couldn't get closer than faces like Crazy Loot BTN, Mother Hen AOE, Mister Rii PB, MVB Hotsy Totsy, Perfect Magic Bold, and Harry Plotter, which were still all quite different.

EDIT: Although I didn't see any real match, when I saw the full actual face on the Harold's Fonts page, instead of making me think of My Little Pony, it made me think of Big Daddy Ed Roth - whose name I keep having trouble remembering.

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This whole discussion is really about personal values, and as such, it is getting nowhere, fast.

Why not visit this link instead?

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I think quadibloc has a good point. I'll include permalinks to your posts in the e-mail.

Also, nice slap, dumpling!

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Dan, thank you for the detailed "inside account", and for your stance.

hhp

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I've been hearing different things about GameLoft but in opinion it's a decent Game Studio. I recently took a test for a vehicle artist in their Madrid branch. Not sure what to think of this.

I think all of us draw inspirations from others and while deriving your own work from others seems fine to a certain degree there's a fine line between inspiration and plagiarism.