Is Euclid inspired by Dessau?

Chris Dean's picture

Having a conversation on twitter.

This morning I was having a conversation with the foundry Swiss Typefaces (@swisstypefaces). They are in the process of designing a typeface called Euclid.

I responded asking them if it was inspired by the Dessau series of typefaces.

They responded “no.”

I was particularly interested in the similarities between the [&] and [a] in Dessau Pro Zukunft.

I’ll let you decide:

clauses's picture

Exactly Pablo. Know thy type history!

HVB's picture

The font doesn't appear to be "in the process of designing", since it's being sold for €75. I don't see any particular resemblance in the glyphs you cite. Both typefaces have what to me is a disturbing mixture of 'standard' glyphs and specialty letters that interrupts reading.

Euclid has some very strange ligatures; the 'bw' looks more like a misprint than anything else! It has some other natural similarities to Dessau Pro Zukunft - such as Euclid's 'u' compared to Zukunft's 'n'.

- Herb

Chris Dean's picture

I know the history of the typeface, and to quote Swiss Type, “Euclid BP is a 21st century font: not another wise revival of an early 20th century geometric font.”

Gonna have to play the BS card on that one.

I don't see any particular resemblance in the glyphs you cite.”

You’re kidding, right?

The best I can say is that Euclid is clearly an homage to early 20th century geometric fonts, specifically old Futura sketches. Anything other than that, to me, is a bit of a stretch.

hrant's picture

Not close enough.

But the name Euclid is taken.


5star's picture

Exactly Pablo. Know thy type history!

Great advice.


Chris Dean's picture

If I must, I will rephrase the question:

Do you think Euclid is inspired by the original Futura sketches?

So far, I’m getting a general sense of “no” which honestly boggles my mind. As much as someone saying “Arial and Helvetia aren’t really that similar.”

Nick Shinn's picture

Your Arial-Helvetica comparison is way off.
Euclid and Dessau are nothing like each other, apart from being “geometric” (simple curves) and having experimental/unorthodox letter forms.

John Hudson's picture

These two types, along with the Futura forms to which they obviously refer, seem to me to represent three examples of a particular genre. Renner's designs may be the first expression of this genre in type, but I reckon one would need to look at a lot of German poster and sign lettering of the 1920s to determine what extra-typographic inspirations he might have had.

The whole point of a stylistic genre is that is permits of more than one product in that style: different designs with common elements that make them clearly related.

Chris Dean's picture

I was always a fan of Russian Constructivism.

xy's picture

" I’m sorry, I’m gonna have to call you out on @Typophile on this one —"

"Is your geometric typeface inspired by geometry and the history of geometric typefaces?"

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