Sans Serifs ID Help please

Hi!
I need help identifying the two sans serif types below. Does anyone know?

Thanks!

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Oops, I haven't been on typophile for a while, but someone has already identified the first image for me, which is ITC conduit!

Looks like Trade Gothic (Condensed?) Bold to me. Other option: Alternate Gothic no.3

That seems right to me too! Thanks a lot.