Sans Serifs ID Help please

I need help identifying the two sans serif types below. Does anyone know?



Oops, I haven't been on typophile for a while, but someone has already identified the first image for me, which is ITC conduit!

Looks like [[|Trade Gothic (Condensed?) Bold]] to me. Other option: [[|Alternate Gothic no.3]]

That seems right to me too! Thanks a lot.