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Script Typefaces & legibitity, a research about the viability of script fonts for body text


Hello Everybody.
My name is Javier Rosa, I am from Barcelona. I am both a graphic design professional and student. Currently I am working on my final degree project.
A week ago I've sent emails asking some information for that project to relevant people in the script typography field. One of this relevant persons, Bas Jacobs, suggested me to post a message in this board, and I thought it was a good idea, so here am I asking for your help.
This project is a theoretical one, developed in basis of a hypothesis. I personally have decided to focus the paper on script typography. The starting point of the work is the hypothesis below:

Ways of simulating legibility


Wondering if anyone has any ideas or recommendations of ways to test the legibility of a typeface. Especially for signage typefaces, I've seen specimens that simulate the glow of headlights or the blur of long-distance reading. I suppose I'm wondering if there is a standard of performing such tests/displaying the results or if it's just a blur filter in Photoshop (if so which one would most accurately simulate long-distance?). Thanks for any help.

Logo for productivity app / typography feedback: Lucida + Futura

Hey all, so I'm working on updating the identity for a productivity app. The message that needs to be communicated is as follows:

To-do List
Tasks, Notes, Lists, Outlines
Time Management

Logo - I've got two logo options I'm choosing between. Both are just concepts so please don't critique kerning, colors or technical tweaks. I need to choose a direction, and it will then be flushed out further. I'm using the typeface Adagio sans for the logo in both cases. I'm leaning towards the page turn as it seems stronger and holds the space better. The dots communicate time management but the mark seems frail to me.

Type for LCD projectors

Interesting quandry, wondering if anyone has experience with this:
I'm working on a projected infographic for an exhibition. Besides the many challenges around getting said projection to look great in a small 24x24' gallery, I'm having a hard time getting the type to look good. Are there specific typefaces that work well with projectors? Should I be looking for type that is optimized/hinted for older raster displays?
Apologies for my lack of proper terminology. I'm delving into unknown territory, personally.

Background on my setup:

a discussion on Typographic 'Niceties'

Hey! this is my first post! I have already searched to find a specific discussion on typographic 'Niceties' however came up a bit short. Everyone knows typography is one of the designer's core tools. The designer uses type to communicate appropriately, to suggest a mood and a character and to contribute to page and layout dynamics, for both printed and screen based formats such as a tablet or smart phone. its obvious understanding the rules and key facts of typographic detailing will create better communication with the read/viewer.

Good typography should be invisible, yet typography should grab the reader's attention using imaginative solutions.

Seeking feedback on an article about word illustration: EDIT

Seeking feedback on an article I wrote about a word illustration challenge: how to express the meaning of EDIT? Some questions addressed in the article are: How to superimpose two letters while maintaining the legibility of both?  What parts of a letter can be concealed while retaining the letter's visual identity?  There are 57+ illustrations of my steps toward a solution to the challenge.

Here's the link: http://rudiseitz.com/2012/12/16/wrestling-words/

I'm very interested in 1) comments on what you found interesting or provocative so I can concentrate on those points in future work,

Font legibility and contrst


Hey guys,

I think i can post again and thanks a lot to Kent.
While going through some articles, I realized contrast in typeface is very important but i can not find factors of design which affect the contrast. What are the factors that affect contrast? Is it x height, thickness of stroke or anything else?
Also to improve legibility, some people are designing fonts with tapered edges( called flaring and expansion of edges in a specimen). Does this really affect the legibility? and if it does any other points that can affect legibility.


Thoughts on setting license plates in mixed/lowercase?

Given that research on road sign legibility supports the use of mixed case over uppercase, would it be worth examining the case of license number plates as well?
I'm really bad at remembering car plates, and I think it's partly attributable to the block shape issue. So I wondered whether they might be easier to read and remember if, at the least, the letters were set in lowercase (probably large x-height).

Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Is it worth investigating, or is it a non-issue?

By the way, I'm nowhere near as well-versed in type research, theory, and practice as many of you are, so please be gentle if I seem uninformed.

A flipper font as body text to simulate handwriting.


EDIT: because there is not a lot of information about how to create a flipper font, below is a step-to-step guide for FontLab. I hope people with no background knowledge, and with the same questions as me can find some answers. My original message and questions about a flipper font are shown below.

A flipper font is a font that has multiple variations of every character. These variations are alternately called upon to bring more variations inside the font. Example:

this is the default behaviour, on the keyboard the ‘n’ is ticked, and the same 'n' is used again and again.

Body text as a flipper font to simulate handwriting.


The context of this question is one of my experiments
to create a good legible font (NOT such a comic font) that is very readable on little formats.
To simulate a sense of handwriting, it has to be a flipper font.
I want to look if it is possible to combine, and how far it is possible to go with.

I thought I was smart enough to figure out how it had to be done in FontLab
but thanks to my limited knowledge of the English language, I'm not.
Also I have only a limited knowledge of FontLab, my previous fonts were without programming Python.
(I actually know FontLab only one year now, and on school the specialization Typography is in its childhood,
not a lot of people know FontLab in detail)

A curious small font question...


Hi all
Hey wow, first post! This looks like the place I might find an answer to a burning question. Firstly a little background. The company I work for has put me in charge of producing our "Year Of 2010" garments, with the names of graduating students printed on the back. We do this on behalf of universities and educational institutions all over the place. The maximum total print size for the artwork is A3, so obviously there's an upper limit to the number of names we can fit on, currently around 1600. Sometimes we have a graduating class of between 1600 and 1750, which requires the production of two pieces of artwork, and this is a real pain for pretty much every stage of the ordering, production and administration process.

Help tweaking script font for legibility in small sizes


Hi there,

I was wondering if i may have some assistance in a logo i am creating at the moment. I have licensed metroscript and would like to increase the contrast so the logo is scaleable and legible in small sizes.

So far i have filled the "O"'s counter, as well as the "A"'s to increase legibility, however I am still struggling to add contrast to the logo.

Are there any tips you might have?



Bold fixed width font for text entry boxes

In my WinXP, for fixed width fonts, Mirosoft has provides only very light weight fonts and my old eyes need much higher contrast. I would appreciate help in finding such a font. It would have to be one that would fit the Microsoft program. Where should I look? Where can I see what it looks like and how to be sure that it is fixed width?
What question should I be asking that i havn't?
===gm=== gfmueden@verizon.net

I'm tired of Titillium that isn't legible in small font sizes! I need a sans-serif font which be totally legible in small sizes!

Hello people!

I'm tired of Titillium and TitilliumText22L! It's not legible in small sizes or in 11, 13, 14px in the sites or blogs! Titillium isn't like Arial, Helvetica and Verdana. Titillium is totally legible only in Word 2007 with optimized ClearType, Paint, Photoshop, Illustrator, Inkscape and Gimp.

I need a free and ORIGINAL font which...
— sans-serif
— totally legible in small sizes (10 to 14px)
— contemporary
— corporate
— fashionable
— modern
— squarish
— techno
— text.

Thanx u all!


Type, Screens, Rendering, and Legibility issues effecting console games


An Ars Technica article on text legibility issues with the new Mass Effect 2 game. The discussion is interesting in regards to how much flexibility developers should give to the players over how the text is rendered and such impact on the game design. As we move beyond existing standards, I believe these types of problems will become much more commonplace.

Shinn vs. Papazian challenge

About a year ago in a Typophile thread, in response to Hrant's advocacy for a science-based, theoretically-driven approach to legibility, I argued that legibility was a practical matter really, and that any typeface could be turned into a text type, without benefit of science or theory. He suggested I try my own Eunoia.

Sorry for the delay. It hasn't taken that long to do, just finding the time and motivation has delayed it.

Here is a pdf comparing Eunoia Text with Eunoia, Helvetica Medium Condensed, Univers 57, and ITC Franklin Gothic Book Condensed.