kerning

Hello!

I am trying to generate my new font I have created, but am having serious trouble with the kerning. I have tried a plethora of different options, but nothing seems to be working. Basically, I export my font, but the kerning rarely shows up in applications. I know there is a kerning table, though, because the font works correctly in TextEdit (mac).

I am using Fontlab Studio. When I try the font in Photoshop and Microsoft Word, it does not kern. Are there any ideas as to why this would be? Thank you very much in advanced.

jafo's picture

Flat TrueType Kerning Table Size Limits

Hello, all. Is there a way to break up the kerning table into smaller ones in plain TrueType? As far as I can tell, the issue is simply that this table is too large in my font(s). I flattened my kerning classes to pairs, removed OT data, but while TypeTool, FontForge, and InDesign all see the pairs, Word doesn't. (Yes, I do have kerning enabled in Word.) However, when I remove glyphs (I have a lot of diacritics), Word can see them just fine. So, I'm pretty sure I need to break up the table or something; how do I do this?

It's probably worth mentioning that I didn't need to insert subtable statements in the OT code for the CFF version.

TIA!

I'm stumped; I'm not seeing kerning changes exported in FontLab, with I process that I *thought* had worked before. Here's what I do:

I go to Window->New Metrics Window. I change to Text Mode, and type:

.

I change the Metrics Window to Kerning mode, and nudge the 'o' far enough to the right it's obviously wrong. I go to Tools->Quick Test As . . .

And . . . I see no change.

Maybe someone could tell me what steps I'm missing? I have Class Kerning with exceptions, and I've also tried rebuilding the Kern feature.

Graphirus's picture

Kerning and Fontlab problems

Hello,

I'm having a little problem with kerning in fontlab and I hope some of you may shed some light on this...

While kerning character pairs in Fontlab I noticed that some pairs where not kerning at all, with this I mean that while everything looked ok in FL, in InDesign the pair looked without kerning. To test this I gave some bizarre kerning values to the problem pairs, something like +900, and yes, no kerning was being applied in InDesign.

Fiddling around I noticed that the problem characters would change only if one of its members was defined in a kerning class. Right now I'm working in Individual Pair Kerning mode so I'm a bit confused, because I assumed this means kerning classes are not taken into account.

I've just purchased the URW++ version of Baskerville, and I'm encountering a bizarre problem when using quotation marks. Oddly, the same problem seems to exist in ITC Baskerville — but not in other typefaces.
I've uploaded a screenshot to show what's happening. For some reason, the quotation marks in Baskerville have far too much space around them. I can't manually correct the problem by adjusting the tracking on the character, either.
Again, this is only happening in Baskerville, and I'm using a brand new version that I just purchased from Linotype.

Has anyone else encountered this problem, and if so, did you find a solution?

I've upgraded Fontlab to 5.1.2 and my Mac to 10.8.1 and (now?) no kerning classes are working.

Existing files have stopped working; existing sets work for only the main glyph, and new/fresh attempts fail as well.

Typical sets look like this for my existing file left-side classes:
_VW_L: V' W Wacute Wcircumflex Wdieresis Wgrave

This had been working perfectly for the last few years of development.

So I've tried this:

• Make a new file with only A, V, and W
• Drew new shapes in each (no copy, all new info and shapes)
• Built a kerning class called _V with _V: V' W as the class
• Went to Kerning Mode and typed AVAWA
• Dragged the second A towards the V

The A is closer to the V as I moved it, but the third A doesn't move closer to the W

I was curious if there is a definitive list of accented character pairs that have a tendency to 'clash' and that are most likely to occur in extended languages.

I generally know what they are and have made pairs with exceptions in the past to handle the ones that I believe would be common.

I was thinking that if there was a list I could prevent having to kern pairings that would potentially never occur.

Hi all !
I would be very pleased to get some advice and suggestions about the font pairing and global appearance of this combination. At the moment, it is just a start on a business card. The company is specialized in high-end microelectronics and wants to contrast radically from the other companies in their sector... I made some boards with different variations and identity elements, but I need to know what you are thinkning about those two simple lines : logo and font pairing... Thank you by advance to all of you !

Alright so I'm quite new to the font design world but I'm working on a geometric sans (ala Avant Garde, Futura, and the like). I've got most of my glyphs made up and now comes the fun and hard part: spacing and kerning. I'm mostly interested in workflow, since a lot of you are quite experienced I figured I'd try to gleam some information from the veterans. Do you start by setting all your glyphs' side bearings to 0 and work out from there? Do you set all your glyphs to a certain width and bring them in or out? What's the best method?

Thanks so much for any help.

I'm designing a display face in Fontlab, and I'm only creating uppercase letters. I planned on finishing the uppercase letters (metric and kerning included) and then just copy them to the lowercase letter spots so the same A shows up whether you type a or A.

However, it doesn't seem like metric and kerning data gets included when I copy and paste letters. I don't know much about Fontlab, but I would've thought I could somehow copy this data. Any ideas?

Hi there,

I'm working on an auto-kerning tool. It's free and open source. If you're interested in taking a look, I'd love to hear your feedback.

TypeFacet Autokern Project Pages

As a demonstration, I've used Autokern to re-kern two popular open source fonts: League Gothic and Linden Hill (both from the League of Type). Here are direct links to before-and-after comparisons:

League Gothic

Linden Hill

I'm looking for a font similar to Gravur of Lineto, with a better kerning and balance of width. I'm also open to a monospaced version.

Thanks for your help, Regards!

Herbie is a uppercase display font with alternates on every character (lowercase), based only on circles and geometric lines. Herbie is inspired by, as the name might indicate, Herb Lubalin's work and the decorative style and kerning of his era.

http://cargocollective.com/infamousfoundry/Herbie

Hello All,
Hoping I might get some helpful advice on kerning this type. I'm looking at the two Xs as well as the L and S as potential starting places. As it stands the leg of the L is slightly shortened to reduce the amount of negative space between the L and S. The + sign aligns with the center of the H.

My original intent was to keep the type in a tight rectangular shape. Looking at it now I'm not sure what the best strategy would be – tighten the space (possibly overlap the two X's) or instead increase the amount of space around the other letterforms for balance. Perhaps the leading is an issue as well.

Any insights or tips would be appreciated.

Hi all.
I've kerned all 56 characters through Fontographer 5 via the manual kerning pair window. It took a bit but I'm satisfied with the result.
I'm moving on to glyphs with diacritics and realize I don't want to kern the lowercase /a/ 7 times (for each existing pair). I know classes resolve this time issue. How can I access that from Fontographer 5 or from some set .fea file code ("where a then a" for all diacritically marked /a/).
Does this question make sense? I hope I've worded it well enough.
Thanks in advance (for saving me hours).

Hello,

I began to work on a font on Fontstruct.
http://fontstruct.com/fontstructions/show/terminal_grotesque

I know this is not a real font editor but it was adapted to my project.
Now I have kerning trouble.

Fontstruct exports only .ttf format, what is the best way / software to adjust the letter spacing ?

I'm kerning a font, and the blue characters (that indicate that a glyph is part of a metrics class) in the Kerning palette of the Metrics Window distract me, so I can't as easily see where the kerning problems are.

Is there a way to turn off the blue characters?

Hello everybody,

why are letter pairs like ›gy‹ and more often ›gf‹ in so many otherwise nice italic fonts so badly kerned? For example:

Williams Caslon Text Italic OT

One of the rare exceptions:

Iowan Old Style BT Pro Italic

I’ve chosen the two examples, just because I like both typefaces very much.

Some explanations for that fact?

Thank you and kind regards

Mario

Spaces need kerning too. I realize this fact from reading about it but have trouble eyeballing/judging it. In fact if I hadn't read this to alert me to the task, I probably would have forgotten this important step in font design, because I don't see anything overtly wrong in the spaces of my new font, except for about 3 places. When I do a google search, I can't find any help on this subject. I would really appreciate it if anyone could give me a few suggestions on what letters usually need kerning between the spaces that follow them, and/or whatever tips they could point me towards or supply me with. Any suggestions at all would help!

Thanks in advance!

[Fontlab Studio 5] I'm building a font that is small caps, in other words, all the letters are uniform in width. I meticulously kerned the lowercase first, and I'd like to apply to lowercase kerning to the uppercase, which I did using kerning classes, i.e. _kern1: a' A

However, I would also like that same kerning to apply to the Uppercase-to-Uppercase, i.e. the kerning from fa to be the same as FA.

Using the classes, and putting a' A in the same class seems to only apply the kerning to Fa, and not FA.

Any help is appreciated.

Has anyone experienced FontLab generating a font where the kern classes differ from the source VFB? I'm completely stumped as to why this is happening or how to get around it. I suppose I could use TTX or FontForge to replace the kern classes but I can't help wondering if this is a known bug, maybe FL needs a reinstall or perhaps I've overlooked something. Any insight would be appreciated.

mattia's picture

tight kerning

Hi all,

I'm a bit of a rookie and I hope that my question is not going to be too silly
I tried to look for something similar in your forum but I couldn't dig up anything...

I'm manually kerning a typeface I designed.
Now I'm nearly finished but I realized that the kerning values I gave to the glyphs are a bit too tight
I was wondering if there was a way to automatically increase all the values by a given number (eg 20)
If possible I'd rather not touch the side bearings

Thank you in advance for your time!

Cheers,
mattia

I'm having some specific kerning issues. Has anyone ever had inconsistent kerning show up in Photoshop, TextEdit, & Windows WordPad? Almost all the kerning for a certain font shows up, but there are glaring exceptions (for example, Ke, Ka, Ta, fo). These errors are the same for all three of these programs. The same text in Mac or Windows Illustrator is perfect.

With a different font, I have the same above problem except that the Windows Photoshop works perfectly while my Mac Photoshop does not. I have FontExplorer and have emptied all caches from applications & my system and still get the same problems in Photoshop. I realize most type work is done in Illustrator or InDesign, but it should still work in Photoshop.

Any ideas?

b.drabbit's picture

Kerning Check

I've been staring at this way to long now and need fresh eyes. I'm most concerned with the "Sw" spacing, but if you see any other pair out of whack let me know. I have 2 versions, the top one has "Sw" a bit looser and the bottom has the pair tighter. I had almost settled on the top one, but at this point I don't think I can make a objective decision on it.

Thanks

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