hey guys i really need your help
- please find attached a screen capture ( of my indesign glyphes i think the glyphe of the the type of which I am currently working on it are not show un correctly, i dont know why ?
- when i try to write with type in textEdit it not working it mixes all the letters
- another question Generating Arabic fonts, i have really no idea about how ?
thank you so much for all of your help and kindness (I will never forget)

Hi everyone,
I am working on a wordmark for a female fashion photographer.
Between the several options I am exploring, I came across the possibility to play around with some custom ligatures.
Here attached you find some examples I came up with.
I know they are not *there* yet - but I would like to hear some feedback on how to improve them and which direction to go.


I'm working on a logo and using it as an excuse to make some ligatures. The base typeface is Mido. I'm trying to lighten the words a bit and add some flair with the ligatures.

I'm fairly happy with the 'it' (though feel free to critique) but am struggling with the 'ft'. Are any of these aiming in the right direction? Any feedback appreciated!

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Ligatures hell

Hi all,

First of all, hello to all!
This is the first time i post, although i have been reading
this forum a lot, with great enthusiasm!

But let's get down to business.
I have been working on a sans serif font in fontlab.
Everything works fine, kerning, ligatures.


When i want to use my font, on a existing text in indesign, the ligatures don't work.
But, if i create a new text block, end select my font, and start writing, the ligatures do work.

The problem is, that i want to use the font for a new book i'm designing.
It has a lot of text, which i can't just rewrite.

I have tried the trick of copy, pasting (same font, or first changing it into another), also in a new document,
but same problem keeps on appearing.

Greater Albion have jusst released two new families through Fontspring and Myfonts:

Corsham was inspired by traditional stonemason's engraved lettering designs. Designed to be used alone, or in combination with our Corton family, ithas wonderfully lively air, with distinctive lively serifs and beautifully swashed downstrokes. Four faces are offered-regular bold and black weights as well as a condensed form. All faces include a range of Opentype features, including ligatures and old-style numerals. The Corsham faces merge 'olde-worlde' charm with fun character, yet remaining clear and legible for text use.


You are looking for a contemporary upright script family?
Lignette Script is an elegant monoline font consisting of 535 glyps, with a wide range of languages covered (including greek) and 71 beautiful ligatures – please make sure to use applications that support OpenType features. Moreover Marcus Sterz created Lignette Deco to complete the graceful look with frames and ornaments.

Right now it is on special sale on MyFonts

Or visit our own website

Hi all,
First off, I have zero experience with coding and syntax for proper output.

I have just finished a typeface with the usual ligatures (fl, fi, ffl, ffi, even st & ct) and I want to make the ligatures automatic instead of being forced to navigate to the glyphs palette and manually apply ligatures.

I know the answer is in Robofab or Python but I do not have any experience with them and can't find a decent walk-through in the context of type design, specifically ligatures (since Python does all sorts of applications, type design being one).

Is there not a standard snippet of code that applies to all typefaces that automates the ligatures? "when U+0066 & U+0066 appear consecutively with U+FB00"?
I presume not.

Also, I use Fontographer 5.

Thanks in advance.

I find it strange that this forum, of all places, does not automatically insert f-ligatures in posts. I want to see "fi", but instead I get that awkward "fi" collision.

Good evening!

Some languages have problems with f-ligatures. One example is German, where ligatures across Wortfugen can be a source of confusion; another is Turkish, in which the dotless ı requires special treatment.

Have there been any efforts to identify (and compile a list of) such problems, and is it considered good practice to code those exceptions as language-specific OpenType alternates? Say, "ligatures for dflt, no ligatures for german"? Or would that go against users' expecations? How well are such features implemented in software at all?

Another solution, of course, is a Linotype ("Sabon") f, but you know, I do have a thing for nice fi and fl ligatures :)


So I am starting a book project for which I am using a very complete and well designed typeface, the files are .otf. I thought .otf meant OpenType and that's it, I just discovered the different OpenType flavored types, which I don't quite understand yet, anyway, not the point...

So I checked and my typeface is an OpenType (Postscript Flavored).

Now... I am using the Book weight, which contains all the basic characters, but not the ligatures. For the ligatures, there is the Book Alt version, which contains all the nice ligatures that I would like to use in my text treatment...

From what I understand, OpenType would contain everything in one font file, these flavored things do not, because of the 256 glyphs limit, right?

A new version of this character drawn at first in 1995 for the famous town in Burgundy and its identity and public signage will be available in novembre at "Editions 205".
The font is entirely redrawn, digitalized. Many ligatures are added.
In OpenType format, of course.

Hi everyone. I'm making my first font and it has a ton of ligatures. I have six versions of some ligatures. Now I'm beginning the proces of getting them to work with code, though I've never written code I'm learning it as I go, with this font.

My question is about the difference between stylistic alternates en stylistic sets. What is the difference exactly??
The manual says this about stylistic alternates... or contextual alternates

Alternate Substitution
Alternate substitution replaces a glyph with one of the glyphs in a predefined
list of alternatives. The application that uses the font is expected to
decide which glyph to choose. A good example of this lookup is to provide
several versions of some glyph, like the ampersand. Another application is

Mynaruse Royale is an expansion of Mynaruse Titling. It features script capitals and widely tracked and smaller titling capitals. Mynaruse Royale has plenty of character and, with its powerful and sharp serifs that draw the eye. Mynaruse Royale is useful in settings that call for titling with an extra touch of elegance, such as a storefront, wedding program or formal invitation.
Mynaruse Royale contains a number of OpenType alternates, including alternate forms for the capitals that are large, drop cap like capitals instead of the calligraphic script capitals found in the default forms. Additionally there are non widely tracked lowercase forms that work well with the included alternate characters and ligatures.

Hi everyone, I'm currently making a font with as many ligatures as possible, the combinations are endless, but I still want them to be usable.

So I was reading a very old topic about the 'ffj' ligature. And thought: That is completely useless.

Or is it?

Now I am really doubting to put in the 'ffj' ffb' 'ffk' 'ffh' in. They look nice, but:

- in what language are they actually used?
- in what fonts are these ligatures included? (and why)

I haven't had the opportunity to utilize ligatures recently, but I noticed that ever since I upgraded to Snow Leopard from Leopard, I have been unable to get certain ligatures to display, such as the 'ct' ligature.

Does anyone know what the problem might be and if there is a workaround solution?


I realised a few days ago I know nothing about ligatures involving ellipses - things such as "What did she ..?" or "I said, get your filthy ..!". I couldn't find any useful information from the general internets, and it's certainly not a kind of ligature ever considered for inclusion into the unicode standard. I also couldn't find a thread in the forums here concerning this type of ligature, so my question really is: who has thought about these?

Has anyone ever seen a discussion of this ligature in a book or on the internet? I'd love to know what history it has.

- Mike "Pomax" Kamermans

Darjeeling combines British Elegance and Indian Flavor. It is flared like Optima, with a scent of Bodoni. By layering “Regular” and “Ornaments” over each other you will create astounding pieces of colorful typography. Additionally there is “Regnaments” which combines the two other styles.

Darjeeling is great as a display font, but also perfectly legible at text sizes. Use the ornaments only to add spice to Your design.

Make sure to use applications supporting all these lavish OpenType features like small caps, various sets of figures, fractals and the 102 discretionary ligatures.

Darjeeling has been recently released at myfonts:

Hi Everyone:

I have been working on a new script similar to Fugu. Where Fugu was very relaxed and informal, there is a bit of attitude with Nori. It is a bit more expressive,

Hello There!

I'm making my first font, and releasing betas as I make any little bit of progress (in the same way as open source projects do, since my background is PHP programming).

Is a nice bold condensed script with plenty of ligatures and final forms alternates.
For me is a learning experience, so any feedback is highly appreciated.

You can download it for free from the lobster font mini-site.


Google now has the reading abilities of a teenager and can read f-ligatures: “[T]he characters fi can... be represented as two characters (f and i) or a special display form . A Google search for [financials] or [office] used to not see these as equivalent – to the software they would just look like *nancials and of*ce. There are thousands of characters like this, and they occur in surprisingly many pages on the Web, especially generated PDF documents.

I want to learn and understand how to use ligatures and glyphs better.

Does anyone know of a helpful book, a guide or an article?

Thanks for the help!

if you like modern and geometric fonts and blackletter as well, have a look at the typophile post »Fracmetrica Black .otf«

the free-font »Fracmetrica Black« is a modern and geometric blackletter with several opentype-features like ligatures, case-sensitives, text figures.
It's kind of condensed and has a high contrast. The typeface's construction is based on an isometric 60°-grid.

This commercial was running on Canadian Discovery Channel for a while now. I don't think I ever saw ligatures used in a TV commercial before. The whole ad is done very well, and this is one of many nice touches in it.

Though the cheese itself I don't like :-)

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Suomi Script coming up


I just got confirmation that Suomi Script with a fair amount of ligatures is released within 24 hours from MyFonts.

I did not manage 2000 ligatures, but there are al ot of more than just two-glyph ones there.

I have most of them in the pdf here:

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